What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby JackSlack » 06 Sep 2014, 03:31

... oh holy shit.

Zoe Quinn was lurking in the 4Chan IRC channels the whole time.

And she's documented ruthlessly how much of the whole thing was manufactured.

HOLY SHIT.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby korvys » 06 Sep 2014, 05:06

Glorious.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby Deedles » 06 Sep 2014, 05:19

That word sums it up perfectly, yeah. :P
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby RedNightmare » 06 Sep 2014, 05:29

I read through quite a bit. If this is true (and by good does it look true), they played Baldwin like a fiddle. Interesting how this thread all comes around in the end.

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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby korvys » 06 Sep 2014, 05:47

The people behind all of this think it's a game. It's summer, they're bored, they troll people. But for Zoe and Anita, it's their life.

I really hope these people get a visit from the FBI. The trolls are playing a game, Zoe is playing for keeps.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby phlip » 06 Sep 2014, 06:16

JackSlack wrote:I will simply note: I held a PubClub subscription for a long time, but they've finally pushed me to cancel it. I'm not interested in The Escapist any longer, and I hope that a lot of other people feel the same way.

Second. I'll just have to survive somehow getting Unskippable/Big Picture in even-lower-res in the future. Quelle horreur.

And yeah, watching Quinn posting all those IRC logs on Twitter was amazing.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby Dubious_wolf » 06 Sep 2014, 08:26

Glad this thread came full circle

Well turns out there are conspiracies...
These IRC logs are pretty outrageous.

Think I'm going to harden up my own internet security...
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby JustAName » 06 Sep 2014, 08:54

Valkyrie-Lemons: Seriously? People who are't in a position of power, and who are at risk, are less respectable for no risking themselves further. That's a hell of a victim blame if I ever heard one. Do you also feel this way about sex workers? I find your attitude really gross regardless.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby Valkyrie-Lemons » 06 Sep 2014, 09:20

Fayili wrote:Valkyrie-Lemons: Seriously? People who are't in a position of power, and who are at risk, are less respectable for no risking themselves further. That's a hell of a victim blame if I ever heard one. Do you also feel this way about sex workers? I find your attitude really gross regardless.


Valkyrie-Lemons wrote:As for the 'respectable women' part. I honestly don't have much respect for a women who willing (keyword here, willingly) is intimate with a man they know either does not think of them as equal or is just down right misogynist to them. Of course, I'm not talking about being in a relationship where someone may say one or two slightly sexist things (because even the best of us occasionally say something wrong even if we didn't mean it), I'm talking about obvious and constant stuff. And I'll reiterate what I said at the start of this paragraph, I'm talking about willingly, not women who are abused to stay in a relationship, or may have no way out because of fiscal reasons etc.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby JustAName » 06 Sep 2014, 09:30

And what I'm saying, Valkyrie, is that I'm pretty sure we have very different views on "willing".
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby Valkyrie-Lemons » 06 Sep 2014, 09:34

So how would you define 'willing' then?
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby JustAName » 06 Sep 2014, 09:42

Frankly, I'm not entirely sure. So I'm sorry about that. But I'm very uncomfortable with the view that anyone is undeserving of respect for not preventing something from happening to them.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby Valkyrie-Lemons » 06 Sep 2014, 09:58

I never said that though.

I'm talking about women who fully consent. Not pressured, or forced, or exploited etc. into being intimate. Since we'd be basically talking about rape, and rape is obviously never done willingly.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby Matt » 06 Sep 2014, 10:05

I think it's maybe time to wheel back the argument about "respectability", Valkyrie.

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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby mariomario42 » 06 Sep 2014, 11:01



Wait, I'm confused. How does some anonymous person in a chat room saying something hold any weight?
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby RedNightmare » 06 Sep 2014, 11:28

mariomario42 wrote:


Wait, I'm confused. How does some anonymous person in a chat room saying something hold any weight?


Well, technically, none at all. But there seems to be a lot of it. Again, that might not mean anything. It could just be a bunch of people in a chatroom roleplaying being behind some parts of the harrasment campaign. It all depends on timestamps I guess.

One of the screens Zoe showed talked about getting Adam Baldwin involved by tweeting at him pretending to be "SJW twats". If this was before he got involved and that was indeed what got mister Baldwin into this discussion, that might mean far more.

In the end the FBI has show interest in all this harrassment going on right now (lots of death threats tend to do that aparantly. plus the guys calling SWAT teams on innocent gamers can't be helping). Zoe will be giving all this stuff to them and for what I care they can sort it out.

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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby JackSlack » 06 Sep 2014, 13:51

Sigh, though. :/

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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby JackSlack » 06 Sep 2014, 16:25

So, Macris apparently reached out to 4Chan to enquire into the Zoe Quinn revelations.

That's not... improper, but that level of actual care and consideration when fucking none went the other way is not heartening.

I'm planning to write a letter explaining why I've left PubClub, why I'm not visiting The Escapist in the future, and calling on Macris to issue a "Bigots, out" notice similar to the one at Games.on.net. I don't want him to resign or anything; we've lost too many goddamn voices as it is. But christ, the #gamergate guys are quickly turning him into an icon for their cause. I wouldn't want to be associated with The Escapist in any way right now.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby Duckay » 06 Sep 2014, 16:46

Valkyrie-Lemons, I still have issues with your point. "Respectable" is a very morally loaded term and your definition precludes the idea of sex workers being respectable if they entertain sexist clients. That isn't something that I am really okay with. I'm also confused; someone can be promiscuous because they enjoy sex, but not if their partner thinks they're a "nympho"? So does the woman suddenly lose her respectability when her partner starts having the thoughts, or when she becomes aware of them? What if she doesn't become aware of them - is she then not respectable for not checking if her partner was sexist first? Or if a woman fits your bill of female morality in every walk of life but once had a lapse of judgement? How long before she is "not a respectable woman" or can again regain respectability? (Not to mention other ways that men can see intimate parts of a woman's body without her being physically intimate with them - life models, pornography, etc. I'm going to assume that you simply weren't thinking about that when you made your original point that a sexist man would not have seen a respectable woman's breasts.)

I could go on but I feel like at this point we're distracting from the new information on GamerGate. I honestly don't have words for it, though.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby elvor » 06 Sep 2014, 23:22

Hey guys, not sure if this has already been covered (it's a long thread) but I was wondering if anyone knew of any studies on the likelihood of online abuse towards female gamers. One of my friends is interested and asked me:

"Honest question, in 2014 are female gamers more likely to be abused online then male gamers?"

And while I'm pretty darn sure the answer is YES, I got no hard data. Thought one of you guys might have an idea.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby Matt » 06 Sep 2014, 23:26

I am reasonably sure that such studies have been done, and that the answer is yes, but I don't have one available to present or cite to you off the top of my head. Google could probably help with that question though.

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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby JayBlanc » 07 Sep 2014, 02:32

JackSlack wrote:So, Macris apparently reached out to 4Chan to enquire into the Zoe Quinn revelations.

That's not... improper, but that level of actual care and consideration when fucking none went the other way is not heartening.

I'm planning to write a letter explaining why I've left PubClub, why I'm not visiting The Escapist in the future, and calling on Macris to issue a "Bigots, out" notice similar to the one at Games.on.net. I don't want him to resign or anything; we've lost too many goddamn voices as it is. But christ, the #gamergate guys are quickly turning him into an icon for their cause. I wouldn't want to be associated with The Escapist in any way right now.


If the latest 'news' article on the site is indication of their new Editorial policy, then they've basically staked out their position as being 4Chan's biggest defenders, and willing to publish 4Chan generated press releases to 'rebut' criticism. It is not good journalism to post one person saying something, then allow someone else to entirely rebut what the first person said without any chance for response. It is in fact quite tilted in favour of the rebuttal to do so.

Cancelling my pubclub subscription, probably removing my bookmarks for the site. There are better sources for news, and they have very little must-watch exclusive content now.
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Re: What is Adam Baldwin thinking?

Postby Amake » 07 Sep 2014, 03:10

The nice thing I'm taking from this is that 4chan has figured out how to fight a war by becoming the enemy. They're not very good at it, they think they just have to pretend to share the same opinions to get accepted and then everything they say will be accepted without question, but that's how it starts. For the next wave of attack they'll try to dig into the attitudes and reasoning behind the enemy's opinion to better understand them and fake them more convincingly, and then they get so good at faking no one can tell them apart from actual supporters of progress and equality, and then that's what they will be.

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