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by Wraith
12 Jun 2018, 04:35
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Officially Forgotten?
Replies: 56
Views: 12980

Re: Officially Forgotten?

As I said, I don't believe I agreed with the timeout, either. And I also have no clue what you're referring to regarding the Memorial Day incident. Perhaps it occurred before I arrived. You were here. Wiggins just did thread cleanup and removed everything from both sides of the issue that didn't re...
by Wraith
26 May 2018, 13:27
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Officially Forgotten?
Replies: 56
Views: 12980

Re: Officially Forgotten?

So wait..."the timing" being Desert Bus was enough to get me a ban for presenting the other side of an issue... On a forum where the timing of memorial day, when people were grieving the death of loved ones - in one case a death that had only happened a MONTH ago - and someone came in and ...
by Wraith
16 May 2018, 20:11
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: Officially Forgotten?
Replies: 56
Views: 12980

Re: Officially Forgotten?

Arguments didn't kill this place. It was mostly, as has been mentioned, people moving on. There were certain events that kind of drove people away, though. The community thrived in the old days on a combination of arguments that would flare up, blow themselves out and die as we moved on, and just &q...
by Wraith
13 Nov 2016, 08:00
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

If you think making meticulous responses is the same as listening then you and I have very different meanings for the word. The former is not possible without the latter. You can’t provide well-considered responses without pondering what’s been said to you. You can’t ponder what’s been said to you ...
by Wraith
13 Nov 2016, 08:00
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

Did I say I thought I was a delicate snow flake? No. I am tough as nails. You don't make it as a highly visible trans woman in a red state without being a rock. First of all, THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT I JUST SAID TO YOU . That’s my entire fucking point . I didn’t say you WERE delicate snowflake. You fuck...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 21:22
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

Alright, can we agree to disagree on this particular space? I realize your image of a safe space is the same one I find so irritating too. So what I see in this, you might not. That's my two cents. You're right I shouldn't get so puffed up, but hey I get protective. Fair enough? I agree with you on...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 20:16
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

Wraith, I have a sincere question for you and I honestly don't mean it as an attack; I'm genuinely curious. You've always been combative, but you you used to be a pretty big forum presence and you were active in a lot of threads. These days, I only ever see you here starting or prolonging arguments...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 19:54
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

What's up Kool? Still rocking the Burgandy! :-D
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 19:52
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

I'm now convinced you're a troll, thanks for taking the bait. Seriously? You make one of the most overtly aggressive opening I've ever seen on this forum, you get up in my face, make up a big ol chest-puffy nickname for yourself, and then tell me you're going to "tear my argument apart word by...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 19:46
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

No, I did not, but there is a difference between hearing and listening, and to me you seem to of been doing the former. I take the time to ponder and compose a response to every point someone makes, but I’m not listening…what…because I don’t see things your way? Because you’re just so clearly right...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 19:40
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

Oh for the love of melo drama… You keep putting words in my mouth, OK no more Miss Nice Rei Rei, time to tear your argument apart word by word. You finally have mama dragons attention. Revel in it. Lets start with your first assumption. Oh goody. Just imagine my excitement. I “have mama dragons atte...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 18:29
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

Yeah, I remember, Wraith. Whether you're angry or not, you're being rather forceful, and you're not really listening to what people are trying to tell you. Nonsense. I’m not agreeing with what people are telling me. That doesn’t mean I’m not listening. There’s a reason I quote and respond. I read e...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 18:21
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

No, we tell them it will be OK and we will move on. We got this. So “It will be OK” is supportive, but “don’t be afraid” is “insidious?” Dafuq? WTF is the difference? What, “it’s going to be OK, but you should still TOTALLY be afraid?” “We got this, but rest assured, you’re totally correct in think...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 18:04
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

If that is something you take issue with, I have no reason to engage you, because as far as I'm concerned it's pointless drivel. Yes I mean that. The fact of the matter is we don't freak out when someone has a storm basement, why the heck is a virtual one any different? "Because it's not reall...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 17:29
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

If you don’t’ feel it’s a valuable investment? Then why are you still here? I’ll never understand why people do this. They make this big showing of telling me how not worth their time they are, and how I need to just stop arguing. Listen closely: if you think I’m not worth your precious time, or yo...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 17:05
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

We can handle your opinion, Yes you can. That’s my point. You’re adults. You don’t need mommy covering your poor virgin ears. So why lock it? the thread being locked down is stating this isn't the thread, to be having this debate on. Then stop debating. Problem solved. If you don’t want to see what...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 17:04
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

I tried to get you to understand this point years ago: if you don't like what's being said in a discussion thread, instead of breaking down, or worse, locking down any conversation where people aren't espousing your own views... just don't open the thread As I read the original post in this thread,...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 17:04
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

People here are saying "Here's this thing that makes my life easier. It allows me to have the mental resources to deal with life, in an 'adult way,' day in and day out. It improves my life." Alcoholics and drug addicts say the exact same thing. Know why? Because they’ve developed a depend...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 17:04
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

"Tough love" nearly killed me. No joke. Coddling people so they don’t know how to handle reality when it inevitably smacks them in the face has killed people. It does kill people. No joke. "Tough love" is a terrible thing to inflict on someone who has depression and an anxiety d...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 17:03
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

You know, I used to think tough love and facing your problems head on was a good idea. I did that for the first 29 years or so of my life. It made me miserable. It caused me to obsess over my problems. It drove me to the edge of suicide. It did not make me stronger. It made me weaker. How do you kn...
by Wraith
12 Nov 2016, 08:41
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

Yes, but Fay, you don't need to be "impartial," you don't need to be anything . This just perfectly illustrates what I've been saying about people running from what bothers them. We dont need a forum mommy to protect us from adult conversation. We're adults. I tried to get you to understan...
by Wraith
11 Nov 2016, 15:34
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

Hey all, sorry, but if this hasn't all simmered down by the time DB starts, I'm locking the thread. Not the time to be getting into this, and we don't have the capacity to properly moderate atm. I see somethings haven't change. How ya doin Fay? Why does this need to be locked? It's not bad enough t...
by Wraith
11 Nov 2016, 15:31
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

EDIT: Also, Wraith- been a while since I've seen you around here. How's it going? Not bad. Rocket and I celebrated our 6th year anniversary last month. I went from being the entire IT department for a small/mid-size company to a tier-2 technician for very large company. Took a break for a bout a mo...
by Wraith
11 Nov 2016, 15:17
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

I think an error here may be your assumption that anyone can benefit from this "tough love" type approach, and that is simply not true. I benefitted from it. Entire generations of people benefitted from it. No generation in American history has been as coddled as this one, and no generati...
by Wraith
11 Nov 2016, 13:21
Forum: General Discussion
Topic: The voxlunch stream shelter thread
Replies: 140
Views: 11621

Re: The voxlunch stream shelter thread

Sincere question: is covering oneself in a shell, repeatedly, a good idea? You're going to have to come out at some point and just deal with it like adults, falling apart isn't going to help. The shelter protects the mind while it comes up with a coping mechanism. Do you know why your mind doesn't ...

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