I would love that! I thought that the Beeb didn't have the rights to that character, though.

Anyone care to speculate on who Maisie Williams is playing? Susan, perhaps? Or Jenny?

AdmiralMemo wrote:Possible survivors: 5 (Krog, Torg, Papers Please guard, Axe Hand, Derek)

I had assumed that Derek took out Axe Hand immediately after the sandwich serving, hence him having fallen out of frame by the time the camera pans to where he'd be standing.

True enough. I don't think this episode by itself is enough evidence to shout "Sexism!" It's just part of a pattern when Moffat writes episodes (at least since he no longer had a boss) and I wish the pattern would change.

I liked the banter between the Doctor and Clara. I liked the old version of Clara and thought that was a great way for a companion to leave, and was honestly a little sorry with how it played out as a result. Like PlasmaCow, I enjoyed the method of having Santa in a Christmas episode. I liked Shona,...

Yeah, agreed. I wasn't trying to claim that he likes characters to go away forever, just that he likes filming "goodbye" scenes.

Moffat really, really loves goodbyes, eh?

Is the implication then that every cyberman in this episode was someone from the Doctor's timestream?

Didnt the doctor say "as long as humans have had a idea of the afterlife"? and since there have been human burials back at least 10,000 years, we can say at least all of history if not most of prehistorical human existence and burial is typically associated with an existence beyond. I str...

We rewatched The Deadly Assassin after Dark Water to remind ourselves how the time lord tech that saves people's minds/souls/whatever at the moment of death worked, and the time lords had a real prejudice against the people actually dead versus the people who went into that story's version of the Ne...

"From all time" meaning for as long as the Master has been on Earth gathering souls into the Nethersphere. Has there been any indication as to how long that's been?

And might the Master have crossed his/her own timeline in the process?

Had Jenny (who also might have been cybermanned last episode) met the Doctor before A Good Man Goes to War? We know that Madam Vastra has, and that eleven into twelve wasn't the first regeneration she'd witnessed. Maybe we'll get to see her first meeting with him some day.

Sure, all of that is true. My idle musings are pretty far-fetched, no question.

Agreed, DF. Both Geoff and I used the word "potentially" for this very reason. I've also been thinking about Rory. He was an auton for a bit, and he would have received the mental commands the Master broadcast to all autons on the planet during Terror of the Autons (though presumably he ig...

I figure that the contemporary companions are probably still mostly canonically alive. Ian and Barbara teach at Cambridge and have never aged, and a couple years ago Liz was working on the moonbase.

But yeah. Potentially any/all of those people were cyberwandering.

Antitonic wrote:So, will we get a non-contemporary Earth companion now? Either past/future Earth or alien? Come on!

And then the companion from the past was among the cybermen wandering about (along with Jamie, Amy, Rory, and a bazillion iterations of Clara).

It was when she said he was her boyfriend that I first suspected who she was, at which point the name was added weight. I've always thought that there was sexual tension between those characters, though it's been downplayed in New Who. Look at her entire motivation for interfering in Trial of a Time...

We spent a chunk of Thanksgiving (today) rewatching Seeds of Death, and it really felt like it happened very shortly before Kill the Moon. Now I feel like I know how they got that shuttle into space and so forth. I recommend the serial. Its potential connections to The Waters of Mars are just a bonus.

I'm concerned with the way that Clara can't seem to stop lying. The ending in particular stands out, given her tirade earlier in the episode.

I'm hoping that this year everything had been building toward Clara telling him off at the end of this episode. That was the crisis moment, or should have been. I'm looking forward to finding out whether everything changes as a result.

Yeah, he was really unpopular. I was just curious if you'd seen him and if so what you thought.

Jay, did you watch any of the sixth Doctor? He started out as a serious jerk, and I quite like him.

I'm not saying that this series couldn't be better written; it could. I'm just curious if you like other jerkish Doctors.

It reminded me strongly of Seeds of Death. At least now we know why the moon had 1 G in that serial. eta: The whole reason that the Silurians went into hibernation was because the moon suddenly appeared in the sky. This was established in the Third Doctor serial "Doctor Who and the Silurians&qu...

A break of at least a season or two sounds great.

I'm in partial agreement. River Song should only return if there's an appropriate story for her, much like Sarah Jane Smith's return in series two.