Miniature Wargamers Assemble

[the_lone_bard]

Well yeah, but they're orks. bs2. 5+ to hit. 30guardsmen vs 30 orks, guard will hit more, orks would wound more if they hit with more than 20 shots and then wound with maybe 5-10 max.

[Geoff_B]

But then the IG would need 5+ to wound an ork (S3 v T4 iirc) whereas the orks would wound on 4+, so even though the IG hit more they would kill less orks which would seem to balance out the orks' rubbish shooting.

Of course if ork toughness isn't T4 (haven't got a rulebook to hand so I can't be certain) then all of the above is rubbish anyway.

[CtMolloy]

If you're talking about during overwatch both armies need 6 to hit, since in overwatch you can only fire snapshots and that means the BS is counted as 1... I think that's right anyway.

[CtMolloy]

Completed my pathfinders last night. They're the old metal ones, not the new finecast ones.

I think my painting skills are slowly improving.

[the_lone_bard]

+1 for metal.

I go out of my way to buy metal instead of resin. So far my 'Crons have no resin (Or metal) and I aim to keep it that way. Modeling my own Crypteks

[CtMolloy]

In my limited experience I much prefer plastic to metal, I have one resin model so far, Markus Wulfhart for my empire fantasy army, haven't built him yet, so I've no idea how they compare.

My pathfinders looked as though they'd been a bit banged up and had bent guns, some of the detail looked a bit poo.
I do like the weight that metal models have though. Combined with the magnetic bases I used they're nice and stable and never fall over!

[the_lone_bard]

My main problem with resin so far is miscasts and in general how dodgey the casting process is.

With Metal when you get flash, it's almost always incredibally easy to remove *Unless it happens to have formed on the worlds thinnest part of a model in which case you're fucked.)
But with resin, one tiny slip with a scalpel while dealing with the ridiculous amounts of flash and bam, time to get a new model, this one has a chunk of his foot missing now.
Not to mention resin just breaks easier than metal.
Granted dropping a metal model you knew before it hit the floor that it would be like it was never glued together in a few seconds, and most likely have some things bent. But you'd just bend them back, strip the glue away and rebuild it.
Drop a resin model off the table and oh, you just snapped the gun in half, but hey, at least it was lighter and thus didn't shatter like a metal model.
Now snapping a gun off, as opposed to bending it is very situational, sometimes the gun that was bent will have a slight bend in it forever, as with some of my malifaux stuff, but a little green stuff if it's noticeable enough and it goes away, snap a gun and get unlucky and it will never fit together properly again, and granted greenstuff fixes it just as well, but I've found that it will just be so much more prone to breaking after the first time, whether that tiny tiny tiny miniscule ammount less surface area is responsible, or the mere presence of greenstuff does it, it just never quite becomes hole again. And if you have big enough models (Take a gazzghull, or some of those giant ass dragons from fantasy for example) eventually the damage that naturally grows over time, from missuse, or simple clumsyness, or if you're unlucky a really shitty opponent, becomes alot more noticeable.

[CtMolloy]

A friend of mine told me about his miscast horrors, also saw some complaints on the internets. Seems they're fairly common, maybe GW needs some better quality control. I just checked out the wulfhart I have and there is so much flash it's not funny.

I think I am going to have to be very very careful with the resin stuff when I start working on it. I dropped one of the pathfinders just before I sprayed them with matte varnish and blam! gun comes right off and lands in the garden and there are a couple of big patches that are back to metal.

Everything should just be plastic.

[the_lone_bard]

It would be nice, but plastic just doesn't work with that much detail.

Go look at the malifaux model range, that's what metal should be for. That level of detail.

Games workshop are just idiots with their range, and if I remember my Reddit correctly, some gw investor confirmed that their is zero quality control of whatcomes off the line, half your model never even cast because of a dodget mould? Don't worry, there's a few hundred others in the same boat before anyone notices the mould is broken.

And if I remember GW's return policy for stores is that if a store gets a shipment of clearly miscast mdoels, they still need to sell them. Not sure about the last part though, this was right when resin change was happening though.

[CtMolloy]

That seems really stupid if they HAVE to sell obviously miscast products.

I need to get some of the finecast Tau broadside upgrade kits, I think Instead of my usual method of buying online I will have to go into GW and look at them myself before buying.
I guess a bubble here or there isn't too hard to fix, but you shouldn't have to fix them.

I already have a pair in metal, but I need more.

I can't afford to go look at the malifaux page. I'll be tempted and end up buying a bunch.

[the_lone_bard]

That's ok, a bunch in malifaux is only like, $100.

[CtMolloy]

I know! *sadface* I am very poor. I'm glad I have a whole lot of models needing painting and assembling to keep me going until I'm not poor.

I'm really tempted to get some Dystopian Wars models, They look rad, I wouldn't have anyone to play with though.

[the_lone_bard]

Malifaux is cheaper, and better looking models You really should check them out, I swear I don't get paid for each person I direct!

[CtMolloy]

haha well I'm convinced!

I have seen malifaux stuff, my ex has some, I do agree it is awesome.

[Volafortis]

It would be nice, but plastic just doesn't work with that much detail.

What irritates me though, is how they'll cast some models in metal or resin that clearly have no need to reason to.

Pathfinders are a great example. There's no reason for them to have extra detail. Fire Warriors are plastic, and Pathfinders really aren't that different from Fire Warriors. I think GW just loves to use metal/finecast to piss me off, because they suck to glue together.

[CtMolloy]

Looking at the models I think fire warriors would have been a better use of a higher detail material... not by much though. What I really don't like is models that are a combination of plastic and metal/resin.

[Volafortis]

I don't think either need to be metal/resin though. Fire Warriors would suck to need to deal with metal/resin considering they're the only basic troops choice worth running, imo.