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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Drinnik » 18 Mar 2012, 06:35

You didn't punch Khalisah al-Jilani?
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby LogicSword » 18 Mar 2012, 08:24

I didn't either, stuck to Paragon.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Geoff_B » 18 Mar 2012, 08:45

Nope. I've never punched her. I preferred to beat her down verbally. Plus the animation for it was a bit poor in the other two games. I saw the video for 3 though and it was amusing.

Edit: I am enjoying all the little call backs that you come across, such as when you find out EDI is the VI from the Luna mission in 1 and when Jenna (the bartender CSec agent) appears to save Conrad Verner.

One of the reviews for the game said if you're not a fan now's the time to start. I would heartily disagree with that. You should not be able to play this without at least an ME2 save. Plus without an ME2 save apparently it's impossible to save both the geth and the quarians.

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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Merrymaker_Mortalis » 18 Mar 2012, 11:03

I like how when Cerberus tried hacking Normandy's computers EDI flooded the Cerberus network with porn to shut it down. Jeff's (Joker) porn. EDI states it was in the region of 1000s of files.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby LogicSword » 18 Mar 2012, 13:22

That was a joke.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Geoff_B » 18 Mar 2012, 15:36

So I finally finished it. And you know what? I liked it.

Here are some of my meanderings on the ending..

Now to go and read what everyone else has written. I certainly can't see anything that justifies the hate that seems to be general consensus (ba-dum tish)
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Merrymaker_Mortalis » 18 Mar 2012, 15:40

It's not hate. It's, confusion.
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Postby Mausenheimmer » 18 Mar 2012, 20:14

I loved every minute of Mass Effect 3... until the last 15 minutes. Then I was confused, then angry, and now sad. It didn't stop me from starting another playthrough though. The combat & weapons system was just too darn cool.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby The_Doctor » 18 Mar 2012, 23:17

From the Mass Effect official facebook page:
We are aware that there are concerns about a recent post from this account regarding the ending of the game. In this post it was stated that at this time we do not have plans to change the ending.

We would like to clarify that we are actively and seriously taking all player feedback into consideration and have ruled nothing out. At this time we are still collecting and considering your feedback and have not made a decision regarding requests to change the ending.

Your feedback and opinions are of the utmost importance to us. We apologize for any confusion this has caused. Our top priority regarding this discussion is to keep communication with you, our loyal fans, open and productive.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby RedNightmare » 19 Mar 2012, 00:04

Here is my take:
If the Indoctrination theory is true and/or they were always gonna change the ending anyway, then they should.
If they are caving because fans are piling these comments up and change the ending, then they lost a lot of respect from me. I found the ending not bad, but lacking. That said, I consider it their call and they shouldn't change their initial vision.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Geoff_B » 19 Mar 2012, 00:30

^ That.

Although I don't buy into the indoctrination theory. After all, Shepard's shown immense strength of will throughout the series, stronger than any of the other characters. I don't think she'd fall under indoctrination at the end.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby The_Doctor » 19 Mar 2012, 01:10

*spoliers, many spoliers*
Unless: You shot him with a starship class weapon, knocked him clean out, nearly killed him and are the creepy child incarnation of what essentially is a god figure.

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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Merrymaker_Mortalis » 19 Mar 2012, 03:32

The Prothean VI said Indocterates incomming (Cerberus). Then reveals itself to Shepard,implying at that moment in time he's not indocterated.
You have to wonder though during final confrontation with the illusive man, what was with the black smoke. IT'S LOST.

I just want to know where Garrus is. I took him with me during the lazer gauntlette event and when I came to, him and Liara were SS.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Geoff_B » 19 Mar 2012, 04:35

Here's an interesting article on the subject (can't put in spoilers because link).

tl:dr If indoctrination is true then it would only make sense if there's further DLC coming to tie up the loose ends. I personally have no problem with the endings as they are and am willing to take them at face value, hence synthesis being the true ending for me.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby RedNightmare » 19 Mar 2012, 10:58

There is something about the ending of mass effect 3 I want to check, so I need the help of every person here who finished it:
Simple yes or no please: when the Normandy has crashed and your crew members step out of the wreckage, was one of them a crew member that was with you in the final mission (up until/during you charge the beam?)
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby LogicSword » 19 Mar 2012, 11:04

For me, no.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Geoff_B » 19 Mar 2012, 11:13

For me: Yes. I saw all three endings. Red and blue, Garrus and Javik came out with Joker, green EDI and Garrus came out. Garrus was my Shepard's LI so that may have had something to do with it.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby RedNightmare » 19 Mar 2012, 11:19

Ok, I thought it would be always yes, cause in that case there would have been a built in plothole, which Bioware wouldn't do without a reason. Probably an oversight with Geoff and me. In my case (Blue ending) Joker, Ashley (LI) and James got out, despite James being with me during the final push.
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby psychopez » 19 Mar 2012, 11:31

I've thought about this, and maybe I'm remembering incorrect but it might not be a plothole:

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When you get up, I thought I remember overhearing on the radio a call to retreat. $squad_member gets up, sees Shepard on the ground, and obeys the retreat order. That happens off camera, since we're in Shepard's POV. Then Shepard gets up and goes into the beam.

Some time later you're in the hallway, and the ending starts.

If the fall back command is given, how long would it take to get from the ground back up to the Normandy, which is needed for the crash ending to have $squad_mate. And we're given two instances where an unknown amount of time may have passed: The time Shepard was knocked out, and the time it takes from entering the beam to arriving on the station.

I've only gone through the end sequence once, and haven't watched any replays of it, so this probably won't hold up to more detailed inspection, but right now that's what I remember.

On a totally different tangent, remember, The Indoctrination Theory is in itself a form of Indoctrination, therefore, if you support the Indoctrination Theory you are helping the Reapers.

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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby RedNightmare » 19 Mar 2012, 11:37

you know psychopez, I think you just solved all plotholes in the ending. Thank you :D
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby psychopez » 19 Mar 2012, 13:48

Naw, it's just as much as grasping at straws as anything else is at this point really. :)

Related: I don't usually agree with the Jimquisition, but when I do, it's about the positive aspects of the ending of ME3
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Geoff_B » 19 Mar 2012, 14:41

I may actually have to watch a video outside my usual series :D

I think I can say this without spoilers: If Bioware does patch up the ending I wouldn't say no, but I certainly see no reason for them to do so. I'm satisfied (if not completely happy) with the ending as it (they) stands.

Although a segment on what happened to everyone else would be most welcome. (Spoiler)After all, at the last count you had the council, Bailey, Aria and all the civilians and refugees on the Citadel. What happened to them? What was the Citadel Defense Force for if not for that?

That video was great. I like the end bit "if you don't like the ending, vote for another one and I won't do it." Genius! :D
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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby psychopez » 19 Mar 2012, 19:19

Some more food for thought, this is about one ending: the green ending

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One issue have with the Catalyst ending is the seemingly circular "We kill you every 50k years so you don't create Synthetics to kill yourself" line of reasoning.

First, applying some real world history into the game, this makes sense, there was life on Earth more than 50,000 years ago in the ME3 timeline, plant, bacterial, mammals (Their names weren't called, to raise a paw) etc. That was not harvested. Life that isn't a threat to killing itself is allowed to live, to give it a good fair chance at a good 50,000 years or so of life before they punch their ticket.

Other garden worlds in the game were hinted to have life for a long long time, and their plant life and lower life weren't harvested. Reapers pretty much harvest species what have mastered space travel. I'd argue if this cycle had its way the Yahg wouldn't be harvested and they'd be the next cycle's primary race, or one of them.

In the green ending -- one of the ending that shows that the Reapers have gotten their way, the arguments go -- the plant life is shown to be synthetic as well. When the Catalyst said all life will be hybrid organic/synthetic, that's all life.

The Reapers as presented are only interested in organic life that can run the risk of creating synthetic. The arguemetn with the green ending is that the Reapers win anyways; we've become synthetic like husks. But Joker showing the emotion you hu-MONS call love and synthetic plant life hints that the green is somewhat more beign that 'The Reapers won'. Organics give up something, yes, but the Reapers, if we're calling that the other side, also give up something. Changing their parameters means all sides meet in the middle some where. Humans, plants, Reapers, AIs, I'd argue VIs. A computer virus is the same as an organic virus, and vice versa.

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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Geoff_B » 20 Mar 2012, 00:55

Again about the green ending:

I never really got the idea that the Reapers were looking to synthesize organic and artificial life. From what the Catalyst said, they could not conceive of such an outcome. The only scenario they saw was synthetics wiping out organics because cold logic and mathematics dictated this. Even Javik falls prey to this mentality when you talk to him on the Normandy.

The race that created the Catalyst, themselves organics, would have been able to see this which is why they equipped the Citadel/Crucible with this option. The Catalyst however would not be able to foresee a time when this would be available. To him (it) the only options would be control or destruction. For the civilisations of the galaxy to take advantage of this and ascend to synthesis would require a union of every race, including the synthetics, which again would imply that organics and synthetics would have to come to a state of peace with each other. Which was the whole point of Legion and the Rannoch mission. Which in turn implies the single most important moment of the entire series is Legion shaking hands with Shepard in 2.

Doesn't the Catalyst say that new possibilities had opened up to him? To me that doesn't mean he magically created the option for synthesis, rather that it was there all along but he had never considered it as a viable alternative.

If there is a point it's probably to say that the creator race wanted synthesis to occur but knew it was impossible until organics and synthetics could come together in peace, hence they created the Reapers (who presumably destroyed their own creators to start the cycle) to keep organic and synthetic life in check until such a situation came about - hence why the Crucible was never completed in previous cycles. The galaxy was simply not ready for it until now.


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Re: Mass Effect 3

Postby Merrymaker_Mortalis » 20 Mar 2012, 03:15

I still don't get the reapers. Sorry. They defy logic.

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