Cards on the Table Mafia: TOWN WINS

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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Duckay » 31 May 2014, 02:16

If every single person does, and the aces are the only ones that lie, then... Possibly. It actually depends on if we can work out who the aces are based on the double-ups, I think.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby korvys » 31 May 2014, 02:44

I think we could have done it if we'd thought of it yesterday, or if their were no joker, but I think the Joker will lie also.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Ptangmatik » 31 May 2014, 04:50

There are 12 of us remaining, with 4 not on the Town's side. Seriously, I have a maths degree
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby romangoro » 31 May 2014, 05:08

So, right now I'm believing that korvys is also innocent. Since my neck is still a bit on the line, and we seem to be at a stalemate, I'm looking at who is still voting against me, since statistically one of them belongs to the mafia.

SO, I don't really have an argument form this vote other than, of those still voting for me, he's the one I more suspicious of. I just reread the thread and checked what everyone did, and here we are.

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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Conoros » 31 May 2014, 05:30

I don't think it is a default win now, from the start it might be.
There are 8 town card remaining, 3 aces and the joker. With the vigilante dead, and assuming each ace impersonates a different person, it will take 3-6 lynches in order to get all of the aces killed, and add 1-2 for the Joker
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Duckay » 31 May 2014, 08:00

Consider also that the joker is in an awkward position between friend and foe. A second investigator might help matters in the short term?
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Kapol » 31 May 2014, 10:32

Duckay wrote:If every single person does, and the aces are the only ones that lie, then... Possibly. It actually depends on if we can work out who the aces are based on the double-ups, I think.


I feel the big deciding difference between yesterday and today is that we lost the vigilante. If we had him cutting off the 'confirmed' mafia, then we would have pretty easily been able to get done first I feel. As it stands... I'm not entirely sure. It'll be a race, that's for sure. When you throw the joker into it... the situation seems a bit more risky. We'd have to have at least 4 lynches. And that's if we hit them all right on the head. It'd also let the mafia know what all of the power roles are. So they kill the doctor. Then the town investigator. And then whoever they feel like. It just spirals out from there.

For now, I'm going to:

changevote: Korvys

Again, I feel we shouldn't waste ANOTHER day given how poorly yesterday went for us. And I do believe Romangoro given nobody else has claimed to be the same role as him.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Kapol » 31 May 2014, 10:35

Duckay wrote:Consider also that the joker is in an awkward position between friend and foe. A second investigator might help matters in the short term?


Honestly, I'm less likely to trust the joker. The joker actually has the best chance by working with the mafia in the short term. Then, when numbers get low, revealing who the mafia are. Because once the mafia are dead, the joker is the last on the list to kill, at the very worst.

That said, we'd be better off with the help of the joker. That's for sure. It just seems like an odd way to go about it for the joker. But I guess I don't know how anyone else is playing the game.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby aeric90 » 31 May 2014, 10:44

I agree that something needs to be done. I'm pretty sure romangoro is innocent so...

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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Conoros » 31 May 2014, 11:16

As romangoro hasn't been challenged on his card, I agree he is ok

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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby korvys » 31 May 2014, 15:04

Too bad we didn't think of just laying it all out yesterday. While I'd happily lay my life down if I thought it would help identify an Ace, I don't think we have the info for that yet. I'd been trying to avoid saying my card, purely to prevent the Aces from being able to narrow down the special roles.

But I guess I have to do this.

1. Discard: Kapol
2. I'm the 6 of Clubs. If anyone feels like claiming that card, and putting themselves on the chopping block when I'm found (posthumously) to be innocent, be my guest.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby aeric90 » 31 May 2014, 15:27

*sighs* This is making things really silly now.

Can anyone refute koryv's claim now?

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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby AdmiralMemo » 31 May 2014, 19:33

Changevote: Discard: Kapol
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Hepheastus » 01 Jun 2014, 10:35

There are twelve people left alive, three are Aces, (assuming no one questions Korvys) three are confirmed powerless townies. With the joker added in that makes only five people for the doc and the investigator to hide in. Just guessing the Aces have a 40% hit rate. My point is either we all reveal our roles or nobody else can.

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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby JackSlack » 01 Jun 2014, 16:40

It has been over six days. (I apologise for missing the close last night.) Standard formula of players / 2 in days means this is past time to be brought closed.

I believe the hand should be brought to a close given the lack of a decision. Any objections?
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby korvys » 01 Jun 2014, 17:14

(I didn't realise we had a time limit (I mean, I assumed we would, but would get a warning). Can we get a day to try to wrap things up?)

Another day with no discard is going to put us way too far behind. I think we need to make a choice, and I'm sticking with Kapol.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Duckay » 01 Jun 2014, 17:24

This game is becoming so erratic, I don't know what's going on. I... guess discarding Kapol is better than our other options? I am not confident.

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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby aeric90 » 01 Jun 2014, 17:26

Until he claims a card too...

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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby korvys » 01 Jun 2014, 17:27

Just to be clear, I have no reason to discard Kapol, except I have no reason to discard anyone. If someone has a better idea in the limited timeframe, be my guest.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Kapol » 01 Jun 2014, 17:46

I'm not going to claim a card. Because even if I do, I'm going to die anyways. And I'm kind of just against just sharing roles anyways. So instead, I'm going to share a suspicion.

I believe Duckay is the Joker. I admit, I don't know this for sure. But the way she's been defending the Joker and behaving leads me to that conclusion. Of course, that could easily be because she's mafia as well. But if she was, I don't think she'd have been so quick to accuse someone else. I'm more inclined to believe she investigated romangoro, found that he wasn't a power role (which power roles could also help the joker, either by protecting or being able to vouch for 'not being a threat'), and decided to go after him. Like I said before, helping the mafia, to some degree, does help the Joker. So killing off innocents and speeding up the game also seems like something that'd be good for the joker.

So, since the joker does need to die for us to win, and I don't see any better option, I'm going to go:

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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Duckay » 01 Jun 2014, 17:52

My logic behind "defending" the Joker was pretty simple. Under the specific circumstance that everyone role-claims, there are 4 people who need to die, and we have a 50/50 shot at each one of them. Keeping the Joker alive until at least one or two of the Aces are known for sure maximizes the chances of that plan of attack actually working.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Kapol » 01 Jun 2014, 17:54

Which isn't bad reasoning. But you were also the only one who brought the joker into the whole conversation. And I never said it was bad reasoning. But people want to lynch someone today (myself included). I don't want to die. So I'm going after the person I feel is a role we need to take care of, and giving my reasoning for my choice.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Duckay » 01 Jun 2014, 17:56

...in fairness, I explained my feelings on the joker because Conoros brought it up. If you're going to target me, fair's fair, but let's keep the facts straight.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby Kapol » 01 Jun 2014, 18:02

Oh, sorry about that. I messed up on that then. I still feel the romangoro reasoning holds up, but I admit that I had forgotten he'd mentioned the joker. I'm also a bit out of it right now due to... a few reasons.

Again, I don't disagree with you that the joker could be useful. The only reason I decided to act is that I feel I have no other choice right now. It's basically try to come up with a better option, admit my card and put myself at risk anyways, or die. I don't want to do either of the last two options. So I'm going with what I've been thinking anyways.
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Re: Cards on the Table Mafia: 2nd hand, Daytime

Postby JackSlack » 01 Jun 2014, 18:17

korvys wrote:(I didn't realise we had a time limit (I mean, I assumed we would, but would get a warning). Can we get a day to try to wrap things up?)

Another day with no discard is going to put us way too far behind. I think we need to make a choice, and I'm sticking with Kapol.


That makes sense. I'll keep this going until tomorrow.

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