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I have started trying to make a deck that runs on my 2 favourite things, (expendable) tokens and (stupid amounts of) counters. So far I've only looked at cards that have interactions with those two things, so this is just basically a list of cards I think would be good in such a deck, I'm just looking for opinions on wether that is not the case for some of them due to interactions. (Ghave would be commander)

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/24-02-15-IhU-none/

Is commander 100 cards counting the commander or 100 card maindeck and one commander?

Same question for Tiny Leaders.

It's 100 including the Commander, so 99 + Commander. TL is 49 + Commander

Thought so, thanks.

That being said, This is my Current Catmmander List and my new Tiny Catmmander Variant. Much harder than I thought to cut it down because a lot of my good cards were already CMC 3 or less. My only concern is a total lack of board wipes but what color has board wipes at 3? Bile blight? is that it?

ElFuzzy wrote:Thought so, thanks.

That being said, This is my Current Catmmander List and my new Tiny Catmmander Variant. Much harder than I thought to cut it down because a lot of my good cards were already CMC 3 or less. My only concern is a total lack of board wipes but what color has board wipes at 3? Bile blight? is that it?

Arguably Pyroclasm/Anger of the Gods/Mizzium Mortars overloaded in red, or Capsize with buyback if you can generate infinite blue mana, but those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.

Does that mean Torrent of Lava is another red board wipe?

In theory, yes. Ditto any other similar effect, like Earthquake. Of course, I don't know the Tiny Leaders banlist, but if it's not on there and does X damage to all creatures, it's basically a board wipe.

there's a ban list? Hell, now i gotta look over my current decklist.

ElFuzzy wrote:there's a ban list? Hell, now i gotta look over my current decklist.

Your list looks fine. The Tiny Leaders banlist is basically the Legacy one + whatever would be oppressive in a CMC<4 format, like Counterbalance and Chalice of the Void + fast artifact mana.

ElFuzzy wrote:there's a ban list? Hell, now i gotta look over my current decklist.

Right now the ban list for Tiny Leaders is around the same size as that of Commander. As for what's on it, it's basically a combination of the relevant banned cards from the Commander list (minus a few notable exceptions) mixed with the applicable portions of the Legacy ban list (which the Tiny Leaders format strongly resembles), with a handful of additional cards banned due to the nature of the format specifically.

For anyone curious, here's the list of cards banned in the Tiny Leaders format:

Categorically banned cards: All "Ante" and "Manual Dexterity" cards (which are basically banned in every format anyways so no surprise there).

Specific cards

1. Ancestral Recall - also banned in Commander
2. Balance - also banned in Commander
3. Black Lotus - also banned in Commander
4. Black Vise - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
5. Channel - also banned in Commander
6. Counterbalance - legal in Commander, but banned in this format for fairly obvious reasons.
7. Demonic Tutor - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
8. Earthcraft - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
9. Edric, Spymaster of Trest - Edric is banned because let's be real, if he were legal everyone would play Edric, he's insane.
10. Fastbond - also banned in Commander
11. Goblin Recruiter - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
12. Hermit Druid - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
13. Imperial Seal - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
14. Library of Alexandria - also banned in Commander
15. Karakas - also banned in Commander
16. Mana Crypt - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
17. Mana Drain - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
18. Mana Vault - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
19. Metalworker - not banned in any of the other formats Tiny Leaders takes cues from, but only recently unbanned in Commander.
20. Mind Twist - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
21. Mishra's Workshop - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
22-26. Mox Emerald, Jet, Pearl, Ruby, Sapphire - also banned in Commander
27. Necropotence - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
28. Painter's Servant - also banned in Commander
29. Shahrazad - This particular card is banned in all applicable formats anyways.
30. Skullclamp - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
31. Sol Ring - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
32. Strip Mine - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
33. Survival of the Fittest - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
34. Sword of Body and Mind - A format specific banning, milling 10 gets much better when you're playing 50-card singleton decks.
35. Time Vault - also banned in Commander
36. Time Walk - also banned in Commander
37. Timetwister - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
38. Tolarian Academy - also banned in Commander
39. Umezawa's Jitte - A format specific ban, presumably because of the CMC restrictions.
40. Vampiric Tutor - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy
41. Yawgmoth's Will - legal in Commander, banned in Legacy

Cards you can play but not as the commander of your deck

1. Erayo, Soratami Ascendant - recently banned in Commander
2. Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary - recently banned in Commander
3. Derevi, Empyrial Tactician - legal in Commander, but banned in French 1v1 rules

Also in case anyone was curious, the cards that are banned in Commander but not also banned in Tiny Leaders are Limited Resources, Recurring Nightmare, Tinker, and Trade Secrets.

steric hindrance wrote:The Tiny Leaders banlist is basically the Legacy one + whatever would be oppressive in a CMC<4 format, like Counterbalance and Chalice of the Void + fast artifact mana.

Counterbalance is banned, as is the fast artifact mana, but Chalice of the Void is totes legal in the Tiny Leaders format.

Had to take Skullclamp outta the list, running Sensei's instead for some semblance of card draw.

I need a Green/Black Commander. Any suggestions?

There are a bunch depending on what archetype you're going for...

Glissa, Jarad, Nath, Pharika, Sapling of Colfenor, Savra, Sisters of Stone Death, Skullbriar, Varolz, Vhati il-Dal

Memo just listed all the Golgari commander options one might consider playable, but there is one more: Iname as One. You probably shouldn't use that one though, as it's not very good (great art at least).

Re'ozul wrote:I have started trying to make a deck that runs on my 2 favourite things, (expendable) tokens and (stupid amounts of) counters. So far I've only looked at cards that have interactions with those two things, so this is just basically a list of cards I think would be good in such a deck, I'm just looking for opinions on wether that is not the case for some of them due to interactions. (Ghave would be commander)

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/24-02-15-IhU-none/

Looks like you have a lot of ways to go infinite with Ghave, I don't see anything that doesn't work, but there are definitely more combos out there.

And may I recommend for your consideration: Intangible Virtue and Twilight Driver. Also the Elspeth that likes tokens.

Gildan_Bladeborn wrote:Memo just listed all the Golgari commander options one might consider playable, but there is one more: Iname as One. You probably shouldn't use that one though, as it's not very good (great art at least).

It's a shame that guys like Iname, Squee and Yamazaki get left out of the EDH fun. Someone should give them a home.

Gildan_Bladeborn wrote:Memo just listed all the Golgari commander options one might consider playable, but there is one more: Iname as One. You probably shouldn't use that one though, as it's not very good (great art at least).

I didn't list it because you're next-to-never going to cast it from your hand in Commander if it's your Commander, even if you build a Golgari-colored Spirits deck.

You could also run Ghave or Anafenza or Sidisi or something as your Commander and just use green and black cards, and only run the other color in mana for your Commander.

So I've begun conceptualizing a great many decks outside of my 10 Ravnica decks. I've got an all-creature Temur deck that's got some stuff set aside, my 5 colour allies that I have a whole pile for and should finish up soon, a Grixis aggro thing, Abzan hate bears/control, a Bant Morph/manifest thing, a Naya Land are Creatures now deck and a Jund dragons deck Darigaaz as Commander because he's the only Jund commander I own. Abzan and Bant are the only ones I haven't got stuff set aside for, but the rest are in various stages of building. The one I want to finish most is the one I have no idea what I'm doing with: Jund. I'm doing dragons and I have a Vhati il-Dal that I pla on trying to abuse, but I also want to have an artifact sub-theem because I have never, ever used Glissa the Traitor in the 4 years I've had her. Help please. I could post a list of what I have for the deck so far if it'd help.

My Ghave Commander deck is now in a state that I can play it in, and from the handful of games so far, it is surprisingly versatile in execution.

http://tappedout.net/mtg-deckpaste/28-0 ... ain-ghave/

RadioshackRaider wrote:So I've begun conceptualizing a great many decks outside of my 10 Ravnica decks. I've got an all-creature Temur deck that's got some stuff set aside, my 5 colour allies that I have a whole pile for and should finish up soon, a Grixis aggro thing, Abzan hate bears/control, a Bant Morph/manifest thing, a Naya Land are Creatures now deck and a Jund dragons deck Darigaaz as Commander because he's the only Jund commander I own. Abzan and Bant are the only ones I haven't got stuff set aside for, but the rest are in various stages of building. The one I want to finish most is the one I have no idea what I'm doing with: Jund. I'm doing dragons and I have a Vhati il-Dal that I pla on trying to abuse, but I also want to have an artifact sub-theem because I have never, ever used Glissa the Traitor in the 4 years I've had her. Help please. I could post a list of what I have for the deck so far if it'd help.

If you're doing stuff with Vhati, I assume you have plenty of ways to kill x/1s, (Plague Spitter, etc.). So you could give an opponent a steady supply of them with Forbidden Orchard, using Glissa to recur a Mindslaver every turn.

Also look into Executioner's Capsule and Thornbite Staff.

Necrogen Spellbomb can be a cruel cruel card.

And whilst we're on the subjects of discard, g/b & hideousness - you could also consider Nath of the Gilt-Leaf + Sadistic Hypnotist.

Why is it that nobody knows about Coffin Queen? I get double-takes and puzzled looks whenever I resolve her, and even then she isn't that high up the hit list.

Anyone play EDH online? If so we should make a list and organise a game.

Would we play on MTG:O or Untap.in? Or is there another site/client? I only have a few cards on MTG:O, not enough to make a competitive EDH deck, anyway.

I play commander on mtgo, exclusively multiplayer though.

fantôme wrote:Why is it that nobody knows about Coffin Queen? I get double-takes and puzzled looks whenever I resolve her, and even then she isn't that high up the hit list.

I had never heard of that card before your comment, so I went and got myself one for my ghave deck. It is incredibly fun. Only played one game with her so far.

First activation: Wood elves, killed with skullclamp. (land and cards)
Second activation: Solemn simulacrum, killed with carnage altar (same)

I missed my third activation due to dumb (forgot to untap) but could have gotten myself a Mikaeous. The fact that you can go into all graveyards is tremendously powerful. Now I have both her and mimic vat in my deck.

There is a thread on Mtgsalvation full of such cards. And: there's a Master List in the first post. Might be worth checking out.
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/the- ... contains-a