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Postby Alja-Markir » 30 Sep 2008, 13:02

Well, my sources listed the average hamster weight at around 7.5 pounds, which is entirely believable for the Common Hamster. Those things can get sizable and fat.

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Postby Shandi » 30 Sep 2008, 13:13

Rosa is in fact a pretty large hamster. I've never seen another as big myself, or as cute.
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Postby Sable » 30 Sep 2008, 13:18

Alja-Markir wrote:Well, my sources listed the average hamster weight at around 7.5 pounds, which is entirely believable for the Common Hamster. Those things can get sizable and fat.

~Alja~


My new rock band name is Hamster Bombing. The first album will be Large Hamster Collider, with Alja's math on the album cover, a hamster ball blurring off one edge.*

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Postby Metox » 30 Sep 2008, 14:10

Can someone please tell me what part of my brain is being stimulated in such a way that I find small, cute, rodents being accelerated into immovable objects, so goddamn funny?

Really, really top notch guys, I was piddling my pants with laughter!
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Postby Smallpoxxer » 30 Sep 2008, 14:13

What's the big deal if the LHC creates a black hole that destroys Earth? Wouldn't it happen so fast that we would all cease to exist before we knew what was going on? Besides, what could be a cooler way to die than to have every particle in your body torn apart nearly instantly?
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Postby Aztec Cowboy Mafia » 30 Sep 2008, 14:19

Nitpick: compressed into a superdense point, not torn apart.

Fun fact: back when CERN ran the first test, there were people (...in England.) who actually bet money (hundreds of pounds, even) that the LHC would destroy the Earth. Notwithstanding the fact that they didn't even collide anything, it seems kinda counterintuitive to bet money on the fact that you won't be around to collect it later. :wink:
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Postby DmitriW » 30 Sep 2008, 14:32

Aztec Cowboy Mafia wrote:Nitpick: compressed into a superdense point, not torn apart.


Actually, with a micro-black hole the tidal forces (the difference in the force of gravity between, say, your head and your feet) would, in fact, rapidly shred you before you were condensed into a SERIES of superdense points. They call this "spaghettification," I believe.

With a supermassive black hole, on the other hand, the shift in tidal forces would be gradual enough for you to not be ripped apart.
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Postby DmitriW » 30 Sep 2008, 14:44

teh_sam wrote:Wow that was awesome!

This gets my vote for one of the LRR screening videos.

Edit: king kool already caught the fact james and jer aren't credited. I did notice something else, after the ring around the rosie part and graham says 'what can you hope to discover from these experiments' and the camera switches back to paul, you can here graham saying 'experiments' again. ;)

I put the wink so it makes everything better again.


They are connected via satellite, which has a substantial delay based on interference. Such as the signal coming from below several tons of rock. ;)
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Postby theduckthief » 30 Sep 2008, 14:50

Is it...is it weird that the first thing I noticed was Graham's shirt needed ironing?

Other than that, I believe this machine is the natural evolution of the SHC, the lesser known "Small Hamster Collider", first constructed in 1983 by physics students from CalTech. Its original purpose is still unclear.
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Postby Lyinginbedmon » 30 Sep 2008, 14:58

Is revver down? The Revver video pages aren't loading and I can't get onto the actual Revver site.
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Postby Misty » 30 Sep 2008, 15:11

Evil Jim wrote:whatever happened to the supposed live video feed (linked in the LRR LHC thread) that showed the facility being sucked into its own black hole? I've been wanting to share that around some more.


This one? It makes me lol :)
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Postby kilgr20 » 30 Sep 2008, 15:13

Indeed.... Iron that shirt man
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Postby Corax » 30 Sep 2008, 15:24

yea this would have been spot on afew weeks ago, but still awesome.
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Postby Evil Jim » 30 Sep 2008, 15:34

Evil Jim wrote:whatever happened to the supposed live video feed (linked in the LRR LHC thread) that showed the facility being sucked into its own black hole? I've been wanting to share that around some more.

Misty wrote:Thisone? It makes me lol :)
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Postby Jester » 30 Sep 2008, 17:19

theduckthief wrote:Is it...is it weird that the first thing I noticed was Graham's shirt needed ironing?

Other than that, I believe this machine is the natural evolution of the SHC, the lesser known "Small Hamster Collider", first constructed in 1983 by physics students from CalTech. Its original purpose is still unclear.


Um....to "Build a Better Mouse Trap"?
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Postby kkief02 » 30 Sep 2008, 17:29

I loved it, I couldn't stop the lulz.
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Postby allison » 30 Sep 2008, 18:31

is this video sujesting that the real LHC doesn't really collide hamsters?
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Postby Yukikaze » 30 Sep 2008, 20:09

Alja-Markir wrote:Well, my sources listed the average hamster weight at around 7.5 pounds, which is entirely believable for the Common Hamster. Those things can get sizable and fat.

~Alja~


I don't know what hamsters you're looking at. We've had 3 European Teddy Bear hamsters through this house(two oreo-colored, one hamster-colored), and they were a good deal smaller than my mom's steel 2-Lb hand weights, and a good deal less dense, too.

They were all three also a lot lighter than my mom's steel 2-Lb hand weights, come to think of it. :?

of note: the European Teddy Bear hamster is the larger breed. The far more common(and less friendly) Dwarf Hamster's entire body is about the same size as a Teddy Bear hamster's head.

Guinea pigs? I could believe 7.5 Lbs for those.
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Postby ecocd » 30 Sep 2008, 20:49

One of the best LRR videos I've seen. Of course, I'm a complete geek. I'll be forcing all of my friends to watch this. Soooooo good. Thanks for a huge laugh, guys.
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Postby Lord Chrusher » 30 Sep 2008, 21:18

Alja-Markir wrote:
spartanhelmet wrote:Well worth the wait :D

I'm guessing we'd have more mushy blood-red remains than blackholes, but hey... I'm not picky with these things.


Lemme run the math...

Assuming the weight of the hamster is approximately 3.27 kg, and kinetic energy is equal to 1/2(m*v^2) that gives...

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KE = 1/2(3.27kg * 299,792,428.0207542 m/s ^2) {99.99999% speed of light used}

KE = 1/2(3.27 * 89,875,499,898,579,088.01882593681764)

KE = 1/2(293,892,884,668,353,617.82156081339368)

KE = 146,946,442,334,176,808.91078040669684 J

KE = 35.121042622891206718637764506893 Mt


So a single hamster would produce 35 megatons of force, or the equivalent of 2,341 Hiroshima Bombings, as well being 10 megatons of force more powerful than the most destructive US nuclear weapon every created, and second only to the Russian 'Tsar Bomba', which clocked in at 50 megatons.

On impact, the hamster would create an explosion in excess of three kilometers in diameter.

~Alja~


Time to put on my physicist's hat again.

First megatons of TNT equivalent is a unit of energy, not force.

Secondly and far more importantly since the hamster is traveling near the speed of light we need to use special relativity. Under special relativity the kinetic energy of an object is
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where E is the kinetic energy, m is the mass, v is the speed of the object and c is the speed of light.

Let us assume that a one kilogram hamster travels at 99.99999% of the speed of light. This works out to 2.0 x 10^20 J - two hundred quintillion joules - 200 000 000 000 000 000 000 J. This is equivalent to 48 gigatonnes of TNT, roughly a thousand times more than the non relativistic value and a thousand times larger than the largest nuclear weapon tested. Going by Wikipedia this is about three times the world's yearly output of electricity or about the amount of energy that strikes the earth from the sun in about twenty minutes.
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Postby Paul » 30 Sep 2008, 21:47

Lord Chrusher wrote: This is equivalent to 48 gigatonnes of TNT, roughly a thousand times more than the non relativistic value and a thousand times larger than the largest nuclear weapon tested. Going by Wikipedia this is about three times the world's yearly output of electricity or about the amount of energy that strikes the earth from the sun in about twenty minutes.


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Postby JesterJ. » 30 Sep 2008, 21:49

Lord Chrusher wrote:Let us assume that a one kilogram hamster travels at 99.99999% of the speed of light. This works out to 2.0 x 10^20 J - two hundred quintillion joules - 200 000 000 000 000 000 000 J. This is equivalent to 48 gigatonnes of TNT, roughly a thousand times more than the non relativistic value and a thousand times larger than the largest nuclear weapon tested. Going by Wikipedia this is about three times the world's yearly output of electricity or about the amount of energy that strikes the earth from the sun in about twenty minutes.

So what you're saying is that we need to learn to harness Hamsterblowup energy, breed hamsters, and solve all the world's problems?

Well..until some idiot blows up the world with a cat.
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Postby Taawus » 30 Sep 2008, 22:08

Real hard science,much safer than the traditional methods in this field,safe for all observers. Much funnyer after mentioning its a hamster collider.
Hamsters have the most aerodynamic and acoustic qualities- why do they need acoustic qualities ?
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Postby JohnyMcmuffin » 30 Sep 2008, 22:17

"With proper saftey precautions the LHC is much safer than more traditional methods of experimentation in this field"


Now I want to know more about the traditional methods.
Does it have any connection to the podcast's mention of trebuchet?
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Postby avatarkayla » 30 Sep 2008, 22:27

Hamster go smash!!!

that was awesome!! do it again!!

i never liked hamsters, im glad you found a good use for them.

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