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Oh that Australian

Postby sdhonda » 16 Feb 2010, 15:41

http://www.news.com.au/technology/gamer ... 5830886493

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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby tak197 » 16 Feb 2010, 16:22

Hey, that means in a sense, Evil Jim is a WMD!

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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Arius » 16 Feb 2010, 20:51

"Cruel sex and extreme violence"?

What games are these politicians seeing? Really, I want to know.

I think of all the games I've played, The Sims games have the most sex. Followed by Indigo Prophecy.

And I wouldn't call either of those cruel. Well, maybe IP since it cruelly goes from having a great premise to being the parts left out of the Matrix.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Gordon Fearman » 16 Feb 2010, 20:55

GTA, Ar, GTA.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Arius » 16 Feb 2010, 20:58

But GTA doesn't have sex in it... Other than some moaning and a shot of a window.

And the violence is pretty tame. I mean, they have the Hostel movies over there. Those are extreme violence and cruel sex.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby VanHelsing23 » 16 Feb 2010, 21:00

Outlaw motorcycle gangs can run candidates in Australia? Neat.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Evil Jim » 16 Feb 2010, 21:24

It may be different in Australia but you wouldn't want to refer to some of the bikers I know as a "bikie."
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Arius » 16 Feb 2010, 21:38

"Aww, look at you with your bikie pals. Aren't you precious? With your little bandanas and - okay, can't breathe. No no, this is not nice. Come on, put me down."
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby epocalypse » 16 Feb 2010, 23:01

I think I just palmed my face so hard that I broke my nose. How does Yahtzee get by down under?
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Keab42 » 17 Feb 2010, 07:10

TBH the 18 ratings make no difference thanks to stupid parents.

I remember when GTA: San Andreas came out I was in a game shop and listened in whilst the sales clerk listed out all the reasons it was an 18 game to a woman who smiled and nodded at each one, paid her money and then handed the game straight to her 8-10 year old son.

This guy sounds a bit like an Australian Jack Thompson though.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby AtomicPigeon » 17 Feb 2010, 08:24

Last time i worked in a games store I actually ended up pleading with some woman not to buy an eighteen rated fps for her five year old son- her rationale being 'he only likes the parts where he's shooting people'

I lost count of the number of parents who blatantly buy GTA for their ten year olds no matter what you tell them about the games content or rating
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby korri » 17 Feb 2010, 08:53

But I don't think an 18+ rating would HURT. I mean you do have parents like mine would seriously didn't let me see a pg 13 movie UNTIL I turned 13. No lies. Some parents do care and I know some parents will just buy something because the box art looks nice, they don't know what the kids will enjoy and they might actually care what they are buying their kids.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Keab42 » 17 Feb 2010, 12:43

I agree Korri, an 18+ rating is still a good idea because it clearly signposts the fact that these games should only be played by people who are old enough to understand the difference between fact and fiction.

But sadly it's the stupid parents who then turn around and complain because their child became a criminal. So ultimately nobody notices the difference because the vocal ones are the ones flouting the rating anyway.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Matt » 17 Feb 2010, 12:47

with regard to the "cruel sex" comment, the game Atkinson likes to bandy about as representative of an "18+ title" is a Japan-only erotica game called RapeLay wherein the main character is a serial rapist who forces himself on young women.

Yeah. This is "represntative of" to this man.

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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Keab42 » 17 Feb 2010, 12:49

See now games like that you don't bother rating, you just ban them. I think most people would agree with that.

But he's a little twisted if he thinks that most games contain that sort of content, or that there's a large market for that game.

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Because I can already sense that my statement there will cause debate I shall clarify.

IMHO the guide should be what's acceptable on television is acceptable in gaming. So on TV you have shows where the hero ends up shooting people, you have gory shows or films and they come with age ratings.

If you released a film that centred around a man raping people and that was where the entertainment was derived then nobody would ever let it be shown.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby GreigKM » 17 Feb 2010, 13:31

Keab42 wrote:If you released a film that centred around a man raping people and that was where the entertainment was derived then nobody would ever let it be shown.

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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Arius » 17 Feb 2010, 14:15

Matt wrote:RapeLay

Wait, I know about that game, but that can't seriously be the game he's talking about.

Japan even outlawed it after people in America complained about it having a fan translation. And it seems like every couple months, a new country is finding out about it and getting in an uproar. I think Italy is the most recent.

Gotta love an alarmist media.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Matt » 17 Feb 2010, 16:30

Arius wrote:
Matt wrote:RapeLay

Wait, I know about that game, but that can't seriously be the game he's talking about.

Japan even outlawed it after people in America complained about it having a fan translation. And it seems like every couple months, a new country is finding out about it and getting in an uproar. I think Italy is the most recent.

Gotta love an alarmist media.


That is very much truthfully, the game he uses to demonstrate the kind of content that an 18+ rating would 'typically' allow into Aus.

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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Arius » 17 Feb 2010, 16:59

Don't people usually rise up and overthrow their governments at this point?

Considering all the other stuff that is happening, the internet filtering, the bandwidth limiting, the "just give us your home address if you're going to talk about a political party on the internet" law, and this...

Seriously, wasn't Australia originally a penal colony? Where's the rioting?
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Machalllewis » 17 Feb 2010, 17:06

Arius wrote:Seriously, wasn't Australia originally a penal colony? Where's the rioting?


Yeah but to be fair so was America at various points of history.

We only have a tiny little island so why bother keeping convicts here, mussing up the joint.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Arius » 17 Feb 2010, 17:07

Yeah, but in America we actually have laws preventing our government from censoring art and politics.
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Re: Oh that Australian

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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby iwashere33 » 18 Feb 2010, 14:31

i figure he would be more worried about how 10 year olds are still being given MA15+ games from the parents.

perhaps he should come with a restrictive law of parents or maybe game stores. similiar to alcohol, if the clerk believes the product is going to be given to someone underage they don't sell to the person in front of them.

perhaps after that we can get started on 18+ allowances.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Dempsas » 18 Feb 2010, 15:54

Our poor across the ditch neighbours, We have the R18 game rating over here. I believe that NZ and OZ were linked together in Steam but due to the whole L4D2 debate over there we were now separate on the system because we could legally have the R18 version of the game. And yea the laws should be more strict, 10 year olds do not! need to be exposed to the content in allot of 15+ games.
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Re: Oh that Australian

Postby Niko88 » 18 Feb 2010, 16:41

Evil Jim wrote:It may be different in Australia but you wouldn't want to refer to some of the bikers I know as a "bikie."



Yeah, I am pretty sure doing that would get your ass beat over here
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