The Sex Thread

[Laurnil]

I've ridden a motorcycle, I was 4! lol. Seriously, my dad did not really think about safety when we were kids. I started shooting a gun at 5. So, hell, I was super bad ass before I was 6 years old.

[Lyinginbedmon]

That's a pretty odd post to make after that little sequence, fish.

[Bananafish]

I just saw some motorcycle posts and I didn't read the rest of it I guess, so I was like "motorcycles rule" right away vOv

uh, corsets? I guess I don't really find a piece of clothing that's inherently patriarchal and represents female sexual repression and bondage v sexy. yeah, there's no societal strain for women to 'morph' their bodies into the idealized hour glass figure today(even that's pretty wrong but whatever) but it reminds me of the old chinese method of bondaging women's feet. Maybe women have done something else entirely w/ corsets but it just irks me It's just a personal thing I guess, it's not like you're a sexist if you like corsets or whatever that's just how I feel

[Metcarfre]

I think you're thinking too much.

[Bananafish]

it's just hard to get over cause it's kinda blatant imo

[Metcarfre]

Name something that isn't? Or can't be interpreted in a negative light?

[Bananafish]

you're right dude but I'm saying that the corset is a lot more blatant and it's far easier to link it to the victorian era and the patriarchy that was around then vOv

[Bananafish]

I don't wanna turn this into A Thing

[WobblyTable]

I totally get where fish is coming from. I have a hard time with different forms of power play, mostly cause it's just too similar to rape in my mind.

Of course, this doesn't account for how turned on I got by my ex in a chain mail corset. So... yeah....

[Bananafish]

Maybe you sexualized DND too much

[Dutch guy]

uh, corsets? I guess I don't really find a piece of clothing that's inherently patriarchal and represents female sexual repression and bondage v sexy.

And that´s where you´d be wrong. Corsets were never about oppression of women. They were most often designed by women, and like fashion today it was women who made the "norms" for ever tighter corsets. In all actuality there is not much evidence that suggest women would wear those tight corsets for anything but special occasion or for extended periods of time. A normal corset does NOT deform the body permanently (Especially the more modern models) Most historical evidence says that women would only wear anything as tight as seen in old photographs and drawings for those special occasions and they would not wear them for a whole day. Today's image of the corset was mostly shaped by the feminist movement who wanted an easy object to identify as "this is what men did to the woman", same with the bra. There are plenty of cases of women stating that they would rather wear a corset than a bra, as a corset provides much more support, especially for the larger breasted females.

[Bananafish]

Fashion norms today are designated by women?

[JustAName]

On motorcycles: My mom and I are driving up to PAX on her motorcycle. Should be fun.

On corsets: I think they look nice, and for some of the time they don't hurt... It's when you've been wearing them for too long and they start to pinch that's bad.

[Master Gunner]

Fashion norms today are designated by women?

I believe so, yes. I recall reading somewhere (and thus might as well just be making it up) that magazines where a woman is in charge of photography and casting tend to have skinnier female models than when men are in charge of those things, as an example.

[Bananafish]

I'll take your word for it but even if it's true it seems pointless because women are just as likely to employ gender/social norms on other women if they've had to live with them and accepted them as natural or inescapable; it's not like women are inherently incapable of not being sexist towards women

[Bananafish]

I can't even remember what I posted 5 minutes ago, if you dudes wanna PM me then feel free; sorry for turning this into A Thing.

[Master Gunner]

Historical attitudes towards women, while perhaps a little high-brow compared to, say, motorboating one's own breasts, is still relevant to sex, and thus this thread.

[Bananafish]

w.e floats your goat

you're the posting prince I guess vOv

[Laurnil]

uh, corsets? I guess I don't really find a piece of clothing that's inherently patriarchal and represents female sexual repression and bondage v sexy.

And that´s where you´d be wrong. Corsets were never about oppression of women. They were most often designed by women, and like fashion today it was women who made the "norms" for ever tighter corsets. In all actuality there is not much evidence that suggest women would wear those tight corsets for anything but special occasion or for extended periods of time. A normal corset does NOT deform the body permanently (Especially the more modern models) Most historical evidence says that women would only wear anything as tight as seen in old photographs and drawings for those special occasions and they would not wear them for a whole day. Today's image of the corset was mostly shaped by the feminist movement who wanted an easy object to identify as "this is what men did to the woman", same with the bra. There are plenty of cases of women stating that they would rather wear a corset than a bra, as a corset provides much more support, especially for the larger breasted females.

I'd totally wear a bra over a corset

[The Jester]

How comfortable is it to have someone hold your breasts for you, really? I know it's not really practical, and certainly not for any length of time, but I've been wondering. It looks like fun, but I wouldn't want to do it so much if I knew it was a bother. :/

[Dutch guy]

Long quote

I'd totally wear a bra over a corset

And I can imagine in today's society. A corset would be too restricting and and cumbersome for normal day to day lives nowadays. Not to mention you need someone to get into one properly.

All I meant to say was that a corset in the olden days wasn't about oppression and domination of the female gender.

And yes, fashion is by and large a womans affair. I've never ever encountered a straight guy who cared about wearing the latest fashion. A guy normally just buys what he needs when he needs it (A lot do somewhat look at the latest fashion when they buy stuff, but I've never seen a guy buy new clothing because what they owned was "out of fashion". ) I've never heard a guy comment about a girl or another guy wearing something that was last years fashion.

[Bananafish]

Currently the media ultimately decides what is fashionable and it has been and continues to be largely male dominated, the idea that women are fashion obsessed isn't some kind of internal or inherent feminine trait, it's one that's been reinforced in the media and society but discouraged in men because it's not seen as 'masculine.' Yet overconsumption and reliance on fashion are both shown as male homosexual traits because this demographic has been consistently portrayed as being overly-feminine. Your idea of women being more "fashion-inclined" is accurate but it's proving my point and it doesn't mean that women have more control over what is fashionable or not, people like Lady Gaga or other pop culture icons are corporate creations, they don't endorse a personal choice of fashion, they endorse what they're told to but it gives the illusion of a feminine created sense of fashion.

[Alja-Markir]

Underwear serves a few chief purposes.

1) Hygiene: wearing something beneath your heavier outer garments prevents chaffing, absorbs sweat, and all around keeps your nethers a bit fresher. In the case of modern brassieres, there is also the factor of support, which provided health benefits in some cases.

2) Modesty: wearing something when you might otherwise wear nothing, but are going to be in the company of others who would, for societal reasons, find it awkward to see you naked.

3) Fashion: masking or decorating the body to change it's overall appearance to meet societal standards of greater appeal.

Corsets largely fall into the third category. They were designed to alter the lines and silhouette of the wearer to meet the fashionable standard of the day. They are entirely comparable to crinoline skirts. They may, depending on design, provide a modicum of support, but as has been noted they are not intended to be worn regularly, and thus this defeats the purpose.

Constrictive clothing on women is often seen as the product of patriarchal societal pressures. To suggest that corsets were not such a product, and were rather an expression of feminine fashion tastes, seems foolish. Compare corsets with foot binding, another form of "fashion" exclusively practiced by women and ostensibly performed as beautification.

~Alja~

[WobblyTable]

I'd totally wear a bra over a corset

Am I the only one who read that literally? Like she'd wear a bra whilst wearing a corset?

[JustAName]

I saw that at first, but realized what she meant