1337% of Pi is 42.

[XgF]

Nothing beats Euler's identity, the most beautiful theorem ever.

I never really got what's so beautiful about it.

It links the 5 most important numbers in Mathematics. Is that not beautiful?

It's true, but tells you ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Actually, equations related to this one have been important in developing fast ways for computers to do trigonometry.

This is why people think mathematicians do nothing but "intellectual masturbation."

Because of that.

The most beautiful mathematical proof is the one for God.

Because it's actual science: the creator didn't like what it showed him, but refused to lie about it.

Maths is not science. There is a very important difference between Maths and Science:

Science is built upon observation and experimentation. It is possible that tomorrow we will discover that something behaves in unexpected ways and invalidates a scientific theory (at least for certain domains). This is normal, and a part of the scientific process.

Mathematical proofs are just that: proofs. They are either right or wrong. Assuming you got your maths right, then your proof is irrefutably correct. No scientific law or principle can be held to that standard. It is the nature of maths that maths just is.

(This is not to say that all mathematical concepts are accepted initially; this is how we end up with names like "irrational" and "imaginary" numbers, and why college maths teachers always have to explain that, yes, imaginary numbers do exist, and do have practical application (In physics and engineering))

I say this as a physicist, not a mathematician. Mathematicians lay the bedrock on which science is built. Some maths may not have applications yet, but believe me that eventually it will.

[theDreamer]

Euler.

He's quoted.

As saying.

"It makes no sense, tells us nothing, yet is true."

When I said "science" I meant that it is the ideal of science: pursuit of understanding the truth.

And it should be noted that, while I haven't started YET, I'm a math student at uni.

What's that saying? "Build theories to suit facts, not facts to suit theories."

The proof for god does that. It takes the facts, as they are, and proves God, REGARDLESS OF THE BELIEFS OF THE CREATOR.

[Chuckles]

theDreamer.

He's quoted.

As using.

Unorthodox paragraph structure.

The last leaf falls.

La.


OT: I'd like to know where all these math vs. everything arguments are going. I'm hoping you'll find a way to tie it into 1337% X [about] Pi.

[Ed.]

mach you cant compare math to literature like that there is very little to compare. Math isn't to science what writing is to literature its not just comparable.

becaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuuuse......

Writting is a written version of language which conveys ideas

numbers are a written version of mathematics which governs everything and is capable of infinitely more than any writing.


XgF does a better job explaing why math is so briliant you can't say that about anything els.

[Metcarfre]

numbers are a written version of mathematics which governs everything and is capable of infinitely more than any writing.

That's a... bold... statement (heh). Care to back it up?

[Gordon Fearman]

This is why people think mathematicians do nothing but "intellectual masturbation."

Because of that.

The most beautiful mathematical proof is the one for God.

Because it's actual science: the creator didn't like what it showed him, but refused to lie about it.

Maths is not science. There is a very important difference between Maths and Science:

Science is built upon observation and experimentation. It is possible that tomorrow we will discover that something behaves in unexpected ways and invalidates a scientific theory (at least for certain domains). This is normal, and a part of the scientific process.

Mathematical proofs are just that: proofs. They are either right or wrong. Assuming you got your maths right, then your proof is irrefutably correct. No scientific law or principle can be held to that standard. It is the nature of maths that maths just is.

This is true. Interestingly enough, computer science isn't a science.

[TomBrend]

Bah, I knew that bank account offering 200% interest was a phony...

Seriously though, hilarious find!

that just means that what ever you have in your bank account it doubles...

so if you invest £5 by the end of the month you would have £15 (200% x 5 = 10)
by the end of the second month you'd have £45 etc...


also 1337% x Pi is 42.00309378..... so just over 42...

1336.901522% x Pi = 42 (and yes i did just sit here with my calculator working that out exactly... because im a maths geek and it was fun xD)

That's only accurate to whatever decimal place your calculator approximates pi to... Just saying.

[TomBrend]

1336.901522% x Pi = 42 (and yes i did just sit here with my calculator working that out exactly... because im a maths geek and it was fun xD)

Pi is an irrational number, so you can never work this out exactly. It's just that your calculator uses a rather poor-precision approximation of Pi. Just saying.

That aside, we'd better not think too deeply about this; for fear that the universe will be instantly destroyed and replaced by something even less fathomable (again, probably).

I was going to say this.

The first bit.

I follow by the "it already happened" theory, so.

I should have known Levi had this covered. Clearly the IRC stodginess has rubbed off.

[BipsCutie]

Nothing beats Euler's identity, the most beautiful theorem ever.

OT: I'd like to know where all these math vs. everything arguments are going. I'm hoping you'll find a way to tie it into 1337% X [about] Pi.

okay, so here is my attempt... correct me if i am wrong:

e^iPi + 1 = 0
e^ipi = -1
-(e^ipi) = 1
-42(e^ipi) = 42
Pi x 1337%** = 42 **although its not exact, but for easy lets say it is
Pi x 1337% = -42(e^ipi)

therefore:

[(Pi x 1337%)/-42] + 1 = e^ipi + 1


and thats just my attempt at tieing Eulers and the thread together...

[Ed.]

numbers are a written version of mathematics which governs everything and is capable of infinitely more than any writing.

That's a... bold... statement (heh). Care to back it up?

pretty obvious when you consider how math props up practically all science, engineering and various other things.

[BipsCutie]

Bah, I knew that bank account offering 200% interest was a phony...

Seriously though, hilarious find!

that just means that what ever you have in your bank account it doubles...

so if you invest £5 by the end of the month you would have £15 (200% x 5 = 10)
by the end of the second month you'd have £45 etc...


also 1337% x Pi is 42.00309378..... so just over 42...

1336.901522% x Pi = 42 (and yes i did just sit here with my calculator working that out exactly... because im a maths geek and it was fun xD)

That's only accurate to whatever decimal place your calculator approximates pi to... Just saying.

yes it is... but it is more accurate than just 1337%. =P

[The Jester]

numbers are a written version of mathematics which governs everything and is capable of infinitely more than any writing.

That's a... bold... statement (heh). Care to back it up?

pretty obvious when you consider how math props up practically all science, engineering and various other things.

Right, except if you actually don't really care about maths or science, but really love a good book, your statement holds no water.

[Metcarfre]

numbers are a written version of mathematics which governs everything and is capable of infinitely more than any writing.

That's a... bold... statement (heh). Care to back it up?

pretty obvious when you consider how math props up practically all science, engineering and various other things.

Describe mitosis using only math.

Show your work.

[Bananafish]

1/1=2

[Master Gunner]

Depending on your values of 1.

[Chuckles]

Not necessarily. He was asked to describe mitosis.

No one said the math used to describe it had to be correct.

Besides, it describes it perfectly. A cell (1) divides itself (1) and you end with 2 cells.

[Metcarfre]

That's an interesting interpretation of the word 'describe'. And besides, that equation isn't exactly mathematically correct (depending on your values of one).

Perhaps I should have said, describe the process of mitosis using math.

Even though the original equation already had to be qualified using words so as to be understood.

[2stepz]

I get the distinct feeling that Bips doesn't grasp the significance of 1337%

[Bananafish]

I am not some trained mathematical monkey that will dance for you

[Metcarfre]

*brandishes banana*

[Bananafish]

*throws feces at bernsteins theorum*

[BipsCutie]

I get the distinct feeling that Bips doesn't grasp the significance of 1337%

i dont.... what is it**?? xD

[Metcarfre]

is (ĭz)
verb
Third person singular present indicative of be.

Origin: Middle English, from Old English; see es- in Indo-European roots.

[Master Gunner]

Not necessarily. He was asked to describe mitosis.

No one said the math used to describe it had to be correct.

Besides, it describes it perfectly. A cell (1) divides itself (1) and you end with 2 cells.

Actually I was making a play on the old joke that "2 + 2 = 5, for sufficiently large values of two". Thanks to significant digits, "2" can represent any value between 1.5 (inclusive) and 2.5 (exclusive). 2.4 + 2.4 = 4.8, which with only one significant digit, is 5. In Bananafish's case, 1.4 and 0.6 would both be "valid" values of one, and 1.4/0.6 = 2.333. With only one significant digit, you get 1/1 = 2. Doesn't work quite as well as the original, but meh.

[Ottoman]

Right, except if you actually don't really care about maths or science, but really love a good book, your statement holds no water.

Books are just art; they can be entertaining or moving, but they don't actually do anything. Math, on the other hand, is the basis of all modern science, without which no progress would be made.

See, without math, we wouldn't have to technology or resources to create a society in which learning to read and doing so for pleasure would be possible.