Doctor Who

[the_lone_bard]

Ok, someone called the big twist at the at some point.... was it somewhere in this thread?

*Ahem*


CALLED IT! Does it also count as me being correct about both smith and tennant since "That was another birthday" ?

But still. WOO! Finally correct about one of my predictions, and one of the ones i made way back on episode one.

[LogicSword]

I called it once I saw the baby's name, but this episode... SO GOOD!

I laughed at the name of the next episode as well.

Can't wait for September, long live Moffatt!

[Dave-O_Boy]

I was actually expecting: The Eye Patched lady to either be a younger River (actress kind of looked like the actress that plays River), or an adult version of the baby. But River being the child is pretty interesting.
Though it does raise a lot of odd questions. like:
If the end of the last season rebuilt the universe, and River wasn't conceived until after that, then... how was she in the time line before that?


Oh who am I kidding. The answer is "Wibbly Wobbly Timey Whimey."

[Drinnik]

The question I have is Why undo the whole "there can be no human/timelords," and run roughshod all over Donna's incredible storyline?

[theDreamer]

Donna was different.

Donna was a human who became a timelord after years of being human, but not in a "oh, look, I'm a timelord now" but in a "OH GOD I'M ONLY TWENTY SOMETHING BUT SUDDENLY I HAVE THE MEMORIES OF A NINE HUNDRED YEAR OLD TIMELORD! MY BRAIN IS MELTING!!!!"

This baby was _born_ a timelord, from humans, without the added baggage of 9 hundred years worth of memories.

[Lyinginbedmon]

Though that does then raise issues over her biological wellbeing, which is being nicely treated with all the worrying and scanning and life-support tech she's being subjected to by everyone that lays hands on her.

[Ottoman]

EDIT: I've been beaten to it, I see. Oh well.

Well, it was a quite different situation. Donna became 'half Time Lord*' suddenly, after a lifetime of being human. Her human brain couldn't deal with that for too long without melting or whatever. But Melody was conceived in the Vortex, and thus her DNA (and brain) structure was altered from the very beginning. Essentially, she was born a Time Lord, instead of suddenly becoming one, and so there were no such problems.

*The proper term we should be using is technically 'Gallifreyan', but since the new series doesn't seem to make the distinction, I suppose sticking with their terminology is less confusing.

[Jillers]

*The proper term we should be using is technically 'Gallifreyan', but since the new series doesn't seem to make the distinction, I suppose sticking with their terminology is less confusing.

I think it's mostly because Gallifrey is gone, so there can be no distinction made in the New Series between who's a Gallifreyan and who's a Time Lord... since the only one left is a Time Lord... I think? Right? I don't know... This is how I justify things.

[tbug]

The thing that intrigues me the most about this new development is that a character who can regenerate can keep showing up for many Doctors to come. There's no reason the thirty-seventh Doctor couldn't run into her in a younger incarnation decades from now.

[Myrph]

So now that we know River Song is part timelord, and we've already seen space suit girl regenerate, whom we presume is Melody Pond, does that mean River ought to have regenerated at the end of Forest of the Dead or was that an actual permanent death?

[Ottoman]

The shadows got her, right? Presumably that means that she didn't have time to regenerate.

[Lyinginbedmon]

She did also fry herself something fierce if I recall.

[ad134]

She did say at the time that the Doctor wouldn't have survived the end of FOTD, so I would highly doubt that she'd be any different.

[Gordon Fearman]

So I feel good. Back in the days of series 5 I said "boy perception filters seem to be a recurring theme. Are they going to have their own arc or something?" Well, now they do. Yay for me. So for my next trick, River is the unborn child of Rory and Amy.

HA!

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Ok, someone called the big twist at the at some point.... was it somewhere in this thread?

*Ahem*


CALLED IT! Does it also count as me being correct about both smith and tennant since "That was another birthday" ?

But still. WOO! Finally correct about one of my predictions, and one of the ones i made way back on episode one.

You filthy liar! Trying to sneak yourself into my awesome foresight skills. In fact, the next post that was made, was your response to my prediction. It reads as thus:

nope

River already said when she first met him he knew everything about her, which implies he meets her about age 15 minimum.

Also if that were hte case river would technically be interacting with her past everytime she meets amy.

[AlexanderDitto]

So I feel good. Back in the days of series 5 I said "boy perception filters seem to be a recurring theme. Are they going to have their own arc or something?" Well, now they do. Yay for me. So for my next trick, River is the unborn child of Rory and Amy.

HA!

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

You weren't technically correct, since she's not their unborn child. She was most certainly born.



Also spoiler your shit, everybody.

Another excellent episode from Moffat, of course. I really like Moffat's "big episodes," where instead of trying to make the threat to the universe bigger and badder and making things silly in the process (like RTD did), he just ties together a bunch of different characters, some new, some old, backwards and forwards across time.It's so wonderfully wibbly wobbly. And I have to say, I was absolutely thrown for a loop with how brilliant River Being Melody was. It's... just perfect.Everything is perfect, forever.

I love that we're getting new Time Lords, not in the way that RTD was doing it (kind of forced, ripping holes in the universe, trying to go back on his word), but in a weird, crazy, ingenious, sneaky, underhanded sort of way. It's delicious. Feels less forced, more brilliant. Though I honestly kind of wish there were some way we could get more of Romana and The Monk and The Corsair and other Time Lords. But... eh, it'd break things.

What I want to know is whether Time Lords are just humans born with really high exposure to the Untempered Schism. Was Gallifrey just really schism-y? And why is schism such a fun word to say? Schism schism schism!

[theDreamer]

Well, they are distinctly alien: two hearts.

But it could very well be that the Gallifreyians were normal aliens, with normal life spans who couldn't regenerate or travel through time, until time energy screwed them up.

[tbug]

Jeremy and Tally and I just rewatched New Earth. Not only does that episode make a LOT more sense now, but it also explains how the Doctor knew about the Flesh.

[the_lone_bard]

So I feel good. Back in the days of series 5 I said "boy perception filters seem to be a recurring theme. Are they going to have their own arc or something?" Well, now they do. Yay for me. So for my next trick, River is the unborn child of Rory and Amy.

HA!

HAAAAAAAAAAAA!

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

Ok, someone called the big twist at the at some point.... was it somewhere in this thread?

*Ahem*


CALLED IT! Does it also count as me being correct about both smith and tennant since "That was another birthday" ?

But still. WOO! Finally correct about one of my predictions, and one of the ones i made way back on episode one.

You filthy liar! Trying to sneak yourself into my awesome foresight skills. In fact, the next post that was made, was your response to my prediction. It reads as thus:

nope

River already said when she first met him he knew everything about her, which implies he meets her about age 15 minimum.

Also if that were hte case river would technically be interacting with her past everytime she meets amy.

Well, i made alot of theories... and i forgot what i was typing... FOOKIN SILENTS!

[Lyinginbedmon]

Jeremy and Tally and I just rewatched New Earth. Not only does that episode make a LOT more sense now, but it also explains how the Doctor knew about the Flesh.

New Earth? The Tennant-era episode with everyone stuck on the highway?

[Drinnik]

No, the one with Lady Cassandra and the hospital.

[EnglishMQ]

Nope, I think that's the first Tennant episode after The Christmas Invasion. Face of Boe, Cat People and Cassandra.

[Sunspot]

He and they and she's actually but it wasn't really and wow can Rory be badass when he needs to be!

Love that the TARDIS called it with 'the river is the only water in the forest'

Goddamn it Moffet this awesomeness keeps making me want new Sherlock less cause I don't want you to want less DW

[Dutch guy]

So, this might have been asked before, but I don't feel like wading through 34 pages of thread.

If I wanted to start watching Doctor Who, what would be the best season to start with. (Starting at the beginning is going to take forever, so I prefer to jump ahead a bit and maybe check out earlier stuff once I have caught up with the latest)

[theDreamer]

Since the next new episode isn't until september, why not just start with Season 1 of the new series?

You don't need to watch the old show or anything, but it makes no sense to start midway through this series.

[Lyinginbedmon]

Starting from the beginning is rather impractical, not the lest because a lot of early episodes have simply been lost to time. If you just want to get a reasonable understanding of things, season 1 of the revived series (Eccleston's run) onward is pretty good, as it introduces a lot of old aspects and elements for new viewers.