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Re: For the lols

Postby Master Gunner » 29 Aug 2013, 04:32

My pseudonym is Ix wrote:The fighting stopped in '53, but only a ceasefire was ever declared rather than a true armistice. In the diplomatic sense, therefore, the two Koreas have been at war with one another for over 60 years

Additionally, this means that the United States, Canada, and many other countries are also still at war with Korea. On the other hand, North Korea has withdrawn from the "non-aggression pacts" at least a dozen times in the interrim. Theodore Roosevelt famously based foreign policy around "Speak softly, and carry a big stick." North Korea prescribes to the opposite viewpoint.

As for Berwick-Upon-Tweed, while a nice (and common) story, is not quite true. For one, the town was not actually included in the declaration of war either, so by the same logic that it continued to be at war until recently, it never was in the first place. Also, while Berwick did have special status in documents, declarations, and treaties prior to the 18th century, the Wales and Berwick Act of 1746 defines "England" as including both Wales and Berwick-Upon-Tweed, specifically to avoid this kind of confusion (and it was long understand that this was the case, with Berwick's status in foreign affairs been settled since the union of Scotland and England in 1707). The parts of the Act relating to Wales were later repealed in the 1960s and 70s.

(Yes, I'm a history pedant).
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Re: For the lols

Postby empath » 29 Aug 2013, 04:47

Aw, SNAP, son!


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Re: For the lols

Postby Lemegeton » 29 Aug 2013, 07:10

this HAS to be included in the next feed dump
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7702913.stm
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Postby Bebop Man » 29 Aug 2013, 07:54

Fezzul wrote:I blame MASH, it kept that war running for years longer than it was supposed to.


It also convinced everyone that suicide was painless.
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Re: For the lols

Postby Elomin Sha » 29 Aug 2013, 07:56

Lemegton that was 5 years ago. I think it has been done to death.
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Re: For the lols

Postby My pseudonym is Ix » 29 Aug 2013, 08:33

Master Gunner wrote:
My pseudonym is Ix wrote:The fighting stopped in '53, but only a ceasefire was ever declared rather than a true armistice. In the diplomatic sense, therefore, the two Koreas have been at war with one another for over 60 years

Additionally, this means that the United States, Canada, and many other countries are also still at war with Korea. On the other hand, North Korea has withdrawn from the "non-aggression pacts" at least a dozen times in the interrim. Theodore Roosevelt famously based foreign policy around "Speak softly, and carry a big stick." North Korea prescribes to the opposite viewpoint.

As for Berwick-Upon-Tweed, while a nice (and common) story, is not quite true. For one, the town was not actually included in the declaration of war either, so by the same logic that it continued to be at war until recently, it never was in the first place. Also, while Berwick did have special status in documents, declarations, and treaties prior to the 18th century, the Wales and Berwick Act of 1746 defines "England" as including both Wales and Berwick-Upon-Tweed, specifically to avoid this kind of confusion (and it was long understand that this was the case, with Berwick's status in foreign affairs been settled since the union of Scotland and England in 1707). The parts of the Act relating to Wales were later repealed in the 1960s and 70s.

(Yes, I'm a history pedant).


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Re: For the lols

Postby empath » 29 Aug 2013, 08:39

Elomin Sha wrote:Lemegton that was 5 years ago. I think it has been done to death.
M*A*S*H lasted longer than the war.


Look, we just discussed this: the TV show can't have lasted longer than the war - the show ended. :P

Momentary-tangent regarding having to fact-check reputable sources like QI: What do you do when the source you typically fact-check OTHER sources against turns out to be in error? Like what if it turns out that Snopes is wrong? :lol:


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Re: For the lols

Postby Merrymaker_Mortalis » 29 Aug 2013, 08:59

Lemegeton wrote:this HAS to be included in the next feed dump
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7702913.stm


In the Wales edition of Monopoly there's a funny misprint.

In English a Chance card says "Bank error in your favour; collect £20"

In Welsh, the translation says "Bank error in your favour; collect £200"

Clearly, Welsh is the superior language.

Translation software is awful. Because Welsh has different translations for words in different contexts.
For example; the word "know".

Translation: 1) "Gwybod" - To know something.
2) "Nabod" - To know someone.

You also have over 50 Welsh words for "yes", and 50 for "no".
Because it includes the context. e.g. "I will" "I have" "I am" "I do" "She does" etc...

In Wales most text information ought to be bilingual (because Wales acknowledges both English and Welsh). Sadly it seems some people aren't too bothered with the Welsh. And take auto-translations for granted. At least it's funny (whilst tears are shed).
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Re: For the lols

Postby Master Gunner » 29 Aug 2013, 09:20

At least, going by that story anyways, you guys seem to take language/translation issues in stride. When I worked for the federal government here, French translations were a huge issue and PITA with a whole lot of bureaucracy to go through, which would change depending on the who/what/when/where/why of the needed translations. Since if something goes wrong with a missing or incorrect translation, there's no end of people that will make our lives a pain (granted, I'd do the same in their position too, my team prided ourselves on getting things done right, even for issues that didn't directly affect us).
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Postby Lord Hosk » 29 Aug 2013, 09:50

I would like to take my standing ovation now while you all bow to me for starting another historical fact check in the LOL thread.first stand and applaud then bow, while applauding
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Re: For the lols

Postby JustAName » 29 Aug 2013, 10:09

Merrymaker_Mortalis wrote:Translation software is awful. Because Welsh has different translations for words in different contexts.
For example; the word "know".

Translation: 1) "Gwybod" - To know something.
2) "Nabod" - To know someone.


That's not that uncommon. In Spanish, saber is to know as in know a fact, while conocer is to know as in be familiar with/know personally.
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Re: For the lols

Postby Merrymaker_Mortalis » 29 Aug 2013, 11:13

Fayili wrote:
Merrymaker_Mortalis wrote:Translation software is awful. Because Welsh has different translations for words in different contexts.
For example; the word "know".

Translation: 1) "Gwybod" - To know something.
2) "Nabod" - To know someone.


That's not that uncommon. In Spanish, saber is to know as in know a fact, while conocer is to know as in be familiar with/know personally.


I think it's just English being a shitly misleading language.
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Re: For the lols

Postby Phailhammer » 29 Aug 2013, 12:56

My pseudonym is Ix wrote:This situation is hardly unique; Israel and Syria are still technically at war with one another as Syria never made a formal peace treaty following the Yom Kippur war, and the Second World War can be argued to have not ended until 1990, since the peace treaty was signed by a country (Germany) that didn't exist at time of writing (being replaced by East and West Germany).

The current Germany *is* West Germany; the Federal Republic of Germany still exists.
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Re: For the lols

Postby Lemegeton » 29 Aug 2013, 13:07

Elomin Sha wrote:Lemegton that was 5 years ago. I think it has been done to death.
M*A*S*H lasted longer than the war.


lol i never heard about it back then and for some reason there was a link to the story on the bbc website today, i didnt even notice the date on it at first. graham even thinks it featured in a phailhaus episode
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Re: For the lols

Postby Bebop Man » 29 Aug 2013, 14:03

Fayili wrote:
Merrymaker_Mortalis wrote:Translation software is awful. Because Welsh has different translations for words in different contexts.
For example; the word "know".

Translation: 1) "Gwybod" - To know something.
2) "Nabod" - To know someone.


That's not that uncommon. In Spanish, saber is to know as in know a fact, while conocer is to know as in be familiar with/know personally.


That's because saber and conocer come from "sabiduría" (wisdom) and "conocimiento" (knowledge). Both saber and conocer translate to "know", but saber = material wisdom (i.e. I know what you mean, I know what you're talking about) whereas conocer = personal knowledge (i.e. I know you, etc.).
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Re: For the lols

Postby Darkobra » 29 Aug 2013, 14:09

Merrymaker_Mortalis wrote:
Fayili wrote:
Merrymaker_Mortalis wrote:Translation software is awful. Because Welsh has different translations for words in different contexts.
For example; the word "know".

Translation: 1) "Gwybod" - To know something.
2) "Nabod" - To know someone.


That's not that uncommon. In Spanish, saber is to know as in know a fact, while conocer is to know as in be familiar with/know personally.


I think it's just English being a shitly misleading language.


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Re: For the lols

Postby Lord Chrusher » 29 Aug 2013, 14:19

Also Spanish has to verbs that can be translated as 'to be': ser and estar. If I am remembering my Spanish correctly you use ser for unchanging properties and estar for temporary conditions.

English is actually a relatively weird language.
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Re: For the lols

Postby Fezzul » 29 Aug 2013, 16:43

My favorite thing about Spanish, is that they use the verb estar to refer to love. The temporary form. It speaks to an appealing sense of cynicism in me.
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Re: For the lols

Postby empath » 29 Aug 2013, 16:58

RELATIVELY, Lord C?

English is the bastardized Frankensteinian pick-and-choose of...well, just about EVERY pre-existing 'language group'.

English has NO genders for its nouns.

English has more exceptions than rules to verb conjugation.

I could go on, but in the interest of brevity I'll recount an apocryphal story of a grown man (of varying nationality depending on the retelling) learning English, expressing is frustration and dismay with the absurdity and inconsistency he was repeatedly confronted with:

"You English have a SILLY language - first you chop a tree down, then you chop it up?!?"

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Postby gcninja » 29 Aug 2013, 18:37

EJ wrote:Lyinginbedmon, I'm looking forward to when Paul or Graham reset your & Elomin's post count back to zero. If you keep it up it's bound to happen =p

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Re: For the lols

Postby Bebop Man » 29 Aug 2013, 18:44

Fezzul wrote:My favorite thing about Spanish, is that they use the verb estar to refer to love. The temporary form. It speaks to an appealing sense of cynicism in me.


Never thought about it, actually, but yes, we do use "estar enamorado" instead of "soy enamorado". I don't know about cynicism but it kinda makes sense, doesn't it, on a technical level? Love is a state, and you're "in it", but it doesn't define you so that you would use "ser" before it.
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Re: For the lols

Postby Fezzul » 29 Aug 2013, 18:49

gcninja, 2006 called, they want their punchline back.
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Postby plummeting_sloth » 31 Aug 2013, 06:42

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