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Stop SOPA

Postby The Jester » 14 Nov 2011, 15:26

I don't think I've seen this brought up here, and if it has already then I apologise. You may not think it's relevant to you if you don't live in the US, but you just need to take a moment to consider; if it starts happening there, how long before it spreads to other countries' legislature? And that's ignoring the effects it'd have on sites hosted in the US.
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Re: Stop SOPA

Postby gcninja » 14 Nov 2011, 15:40

I've already voiced my opinion by "sending a letter over the internet" to my state rep. I'm not sure what will happen, however, if this does get passed, I don't think it'll last long. Also, doesn't the UK have something like going on too?
edit: as of right now, here's where it's at
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-968
and some more info on it too
https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/112/s968
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Postby Tycherin » 14 Nov 2011, 21:17

On the bright side of this litigious morass of good intentions and disastrous risks, at least it's being put forth bipartisanly.
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Postby Deedles » 15 Nov 2011, 05:12

Just ... seriously, what? No! Just no! How could they even consider letting a law like that pass? It's too much power for one, in comparison, small group to handle, and it's far, far too easy to corrupt.
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Postby Geoff_B » 15 Nov 2011, 05:41

For the same reason that they're willing to believe that gamers are mass-murderers-in-waiting I guess. Someone tells them and so that's what they do.
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Postby Rikadyn » 15 Nov 2011, 07:18

Deedles wrote:Just ... seriously, what? No! Just no! How could they even consider letting a law like that pass? It's too much power for one, in comparison, small group to handle, and it's far, far too easy to corrupt.


Corporations want more power.

Corporations offer Government more money (and a little bit of the power) to enact the laws they want

People get screwed.
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Postby Metcarfre » 15 Nov 2011, 07:37

My American friends;

I know it's quaint, but figure out where you buy stamps and send some physical letters to your representatives. Write them out yourselves, don't copypasta a script from a protest site. If you care enough, that is.

Tycherin wrote:On the bright side of this litigious morass of good intentions and disastrous risks, at least it's being put forth bipartisanly.

Isn't it American law that *all* bills be proposed bipartisanly? Or at least tradition?
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Re: Stop SOPA

Postby empath » 15 Nov 2011, 13:10

No, he means that the group of representatives that tabled the bill consists of members of both parties. Usually a bill is put forth from one or the other.

It's like if three MPs tabled a bill in Parliament - one Lib, a Con and a Bloc.

Sounds good, but in actuality, all it means is Big Business™ is shopping for puppets on BOTH sides of the House. :(
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Postby Drdiggit42 » 15 Nov 2011, 14:42

empath wrote:Sounds good, but in actuality, all it means is Big Business™ is shopping for puppets on BOTH sides of the House. :(


Is Big Business Trademarked? That's very clever and I should have expected it.
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Postby madrak_the_red » 15 Nov 2011, 15:20

I thought that congress just rejected an appeal to the net neutrality bill. Doesn't this violate net neutrality?
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Postby Tycherin » 15 Nov 2011, 15:45

Forget net neutrality, this violates the first amendment. I mean, technically piracy is a corruption of the first amendment, but that's like saying that the proper cure for a dog bite is to cut off the person's arm with a buzz saw. And then set it on fire.

But yeah, it seems to violate net neutrality as well.
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Postby gcninja » 15 Nov 2011, 19:31

Do you think they'd pay for a new monitor since I just punched a hole in my old one from reading that?
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Postby madrak_the_red » 16 Nov 2011, 14:36

JackSlack wrote:The fix is in.


...seriously?
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Re: Stop SOPA

Postby empath » 16 Nov 2011, 14:47

madrak_the_red wrote:
JackSlack wrote:The fix is in.


...seriously?


Seriously.
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Postby madrak_the_red » 16 Nov 2011, 14:53

All of a sudden, I'm incredibly worried
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Postby DancingFox » 16 Nov 2011, 15:03

I'm very curious about this more than anything else. Because here's the thing: groups like anonymous have shown how much damage can be done over the internet. If this bill is passed, it could go two ways. If it isn't enforced, it is meaningless and nothing will have changed.

If it is enforced, the uproar and backlash is going to be terrifying. The government and corporations involved will likely be attacked brutally and mercilessly, there with be chaos and anarchy and probably quite a range of serious problems until the bill stops being enforced. If a moderately sized group of determined people can temporarily take down websites like Amazon and PayPal, if a very small team of people can break into Steam without them even knowing, what kind of response could come from a much larger group of people after an attack that they can rationalize as practically being directed towards the personally?

I doubt it'd happen immediately. But if widespread enforcement of this bill begins, it's going to be quite a show.

It won't last. But I am rather worried about the collateral damage.
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Re: Stop SOPA

Postby JackSlack » 16 Nov 2011, 16:33

The bill is going to be passed, make no mistake. All the signs of it being pushed through are there. As I said, the fix is in.
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Postby Lisra » 17 Nov 2011, 06:08

Unless someone buys all the dems in the senate it wouldn't survive the veto..
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Postby gcninja » 17 Nov 2011, 10:08

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Postby empath » 17 Nov 2011, 18:48

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Re: Stop SOPA

Postby Digital Dolphin » 18 Nov 2011, 12:14

In case anyone is wondering, the following companies are officially in SUPPORT of SOPA:

Adobe
Apple
Autodesk
AVEVA
AVG
Bentley Systems
CA
Cadence Design Systems
CNC Software – Mastercam
Compuware
Corel
Dassault Systèmes SolidWorks Corporation
Dell
Intel
Intuit
Kaspersky
McAfee
Microsoft
Minitab
Progress Software
PTC
Quark
Quest
Rosetta Stone
Siemens PLM Software, Inc.
Sybase
Symantec
TechSmith
The MathWorks

Source: http://thenextweb.com/insider/2011/11/1 ... 27-others/

I recommend boycotting the hell out of all of them as you're able to.
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Re: Stop SOPA

Postby Dutch guy » 18 Nov 2011, 12:45

Problem is I NEED Dassault Systèmes Solidworks for my studies and later probably my job. What I don't get is why they are supporting it. They don't gain ANYTHING by it. (Same goes for almost all of these companies actually)
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