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Re: Yo Canada, What's Happening Up There?

Postby plummeting_sloth » 10 Mar 2012, 12:25

The National Guard can and have been deputized to operate under Federal control and to act in a police capacity. This happened to a positive degree in the school integration fights of the 50's and to a negative degree during Katrina.
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Re: Yo Canada, What's Happening Up There?

Postby Season's Beatings » 10 Mar 2012, 12:41

And very negatively in the Kent State shootings.
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Re: Yo Canada, What's Happening Up There?

Postby plummeting_sloth » 10 Mar 2012, 12:54

Technically, I believe they were still under the state's command during Kent State. Not that it mattered to the people being fired on, of course...
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Re: Yo Canada, What's Happening Up There?

Postby tamaness » 10 Mar 2012, 17:07

CancerBottle wrote:Does the Army Corps of Engineers and Natty Guard count?


Regardless of what they do or to whom they report, they are US military organizations operating on US soil.

I don't really have anything more to add to this discussion past my previous post, so I'll leave it at that.
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Re: Yo Canada, What's Happening Up There?

Postby plummeting_sloth » 11 Mar 2012, 05:57

Least the black helicopters find you.
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Re: Yo Canada, What's Happening Up There?

Postby CancerBottle » 11 Mar 2012, 11:33

madAlric wrote:
CancerBottle wrote:Does the Army Corps of Engineers and Natty Guard count?


Regardless of what they do or to whom they report, they are US military organizations operating on US soil.

I don't really have anything more to add to this discussion past my previous post, so I'll leave it at that.


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But they don't routinely engage in policing activities on U.S. soil. Their powers are limited to very specific tasks. The U.S. has a long tradition of not letting the military do that for very good reasons as we've seen in countless countries.

It would with this bill.
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Re: Yo Canada, What's Happening Up There?

Postby plummeting_sloth » 13 Mar 2012, 15:28

Technically, it would be codifying and clarifying language already established in many of the immediate post- 9/11 security bills. Not that that's awesome, but the law itself is toothless without that precedent... which is why the signing statement/executive action done after it's passing is so effective, at least in terms of this administration. It doesn't undue anything... it just keeps the language as muddy as before then uses the unclarity to maneuver around the worst parts concerning military detentions and domestic operations.
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