The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Lord Chrusher » 17 Apr 2012, 04:53

Sadly Geoff_B I do not think either sodium bicarbonate or carbonic acid in the concentrations encountered in club soda have that large an effect on the thermodynamic properties of water.

You are just throwing bad tasting, slightly salty water on Elomin Sha. All you are doing is making him angry.
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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Elomin Sha » 17 Apr 2012, 05:05

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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Drdiggit42 » 17 Apr 2012, 05:58

Lord Chrusher wrote:You should be considering the specific heat required to heat club soda to its boiling point and the enthalpy of vaporisation required to boil club soda rather than just its boiling temperature.


Oh.... yeah... that stuff too. Ok lets calculate this out then. The specific heat of water(Since club soda's should be about the same) is 4.186 joules/ gram*C, waters boiling point is 100 C so that makes it 418.6 joules, and Geoff has a 1 liter bottle of club soda so that makes it 418.6 kJ. And the Enthalpy of vaporization of water is 40.65kJ/ per mole. 1 liter of water is 55.55 moles. So that brings the energy total to about 2677kJ.... now we just need to measure the energy of Elomin's fire.... okay we can stop this now. Lets go back to trying not to make sense of this thread.
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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Phailhammer » 17 Apr 2012, 06:01

Frankly, I don't know why you were trying to make sense of it in the first place.
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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Dutch guy » 17 Apr 2012, 07:09

Drdiggit42 wrote:
Lord Chrusher wrote:You should be considering the specific heat required to heat club soda to its boiling point and the enthalpy of vaporisation required to boil club soda rather than just its boiling temperature.


Oh.... yeah... that stuff too. Ok lets calculate this out then. The specific heat of water(Since club soda's should be about the same) is 4.186 joules/ gram*C, waters boiling point is 100 C so that makes it 418.6 joules, and Geoff has a 1 liter bottle of club soda so that makes it 418.6 kJ. And the Enthalpy of vaporization of water is 40.65kJ/ per mole. 1 liter of water is 55.55 moles. So that brings the energy total to about 2677kJ.... now we just need to measure the energy of Elomin's fire.... okay we can stop this now. Lets go back to trying not to make sense of this thread.


Assuming Elomin uses standard Parafin oil (HHV=46.00 MJ/kg) for his flame thrower he needs to burn only 2.677/46=0.05kg of the stuff to generate enough heat. Lets say he's "accidentally" very sloppy in applying the flame and he gets only 10% on target. That means he needs to shoot roughly 0.5 kg of parafin oil to vaporize all that club soda. Parafin oil has a density of roughly 0.8 kg/l so he needs roughly 0.625 liters of oil. Factoring in a flow rate of about 0.5 liters of oil per second from the flame thrower and this equates to a squeeze of 1.25 seconds on the trigger.

I think Elomin has this one in the bag :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

PS: Yeah I know he would probably use Napalm B but I couldn't find the propper HHV values. Those would be higher anyway, so he would win even faster
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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Drdiggit42 » 17 Apr 2012, 07:14

Dutch guy wrote:I think Elomin has this one in the bag :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


I see what you did there.
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Postby Elomin Sha » 17 Apr 2012, 07:14

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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby General Michi » 17 Apr 2012, 07:30

Really?! *licks Elomin* tastes more like poison.

*looks down*

Hmm, that bubble like thing on my stomach wasn't there before. I'm feeling tired now, and for some reason I want to eat my fist. I'm going to lie down over here. *crawls to corner and giggles*
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Postby Phailhammer » 17 Apr 2012, 08:03

General Michi wrote:Hmm, that bubble like thing on my stomach wasn't there before.

Could be worse. :D
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Postby General Michi » 17 Apr 2012, 10:28

I was all but certain that that link would take me here
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Postby Keab42 » 17 Apr 2012, 11:37

I figured it would be here or here.

Amusingly both of those had a trailer for Prometheus on the front...
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Postby Elomin Sha » 17 Apr 2012, 14:32

I have always prefered human form Reptile to Scorpion but I do like the spear attack.
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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Lord Chrusher » 18 Apr 2012, 04:56

Dutch guy wrote:
Drdiggit42 wrote:
Lord Chrusher wrote:You should be considering the specific heat required to heat club soda to its boiling point and the enthalpy of vaporisation required to boil club soda rather than just its boiling temperature.


Oh.... yeah... that stuff too. Ok lets calculate this out then. The specific heat of water(Since club soda's should be about the same) is 4.186 joules/ gram*C, waters boiling point is 100 C so that makes it 418.6 joules, and Geoff has a 1 liter bottle of club soda so that makes it 418.6 kJ. And the Enthalpy of vaporization of water is 40.65kJ/ per mole. 1 liter of water is 55.55 moles. So that brings the energy total to about 2677kJ.... now we just need to measure the energy of Elomin's fire.... okay we can stop this now. Lets go back to trying not to make sense of this thread.


Assuming Elomin uses standard Parafin oil (HHV=46.00 MJ/kg) for his flame thrower he needs to burn only 2.677/46=0.05kg of the stuff to generate enough heat. Lets say he's "accidentally" very sloppy in applying the flame and he gets only 10% on target. That means he needs to shoot roughly 0.5 kg of parafin oil to vaporize all that club soda. Parafin oil has a density of roughly 0.8 kg/l so he needs roughly 0.625 liters of oil. Factoring in a flow rate of about 0.5 liters of oil per second from the flame thrower and this equates to a squeeze of 1.25 seconds on the trigger.

I think Elomin has this one in the bag :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

PS: Yeah I know he would probably use Napalm B but I couldn't find the propper HHV values. Those would be higher anyway, so he would win even faster


Or he could use magnesium. It burns in water, just saying.
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Postby Elomin Sha » 18 Apr 2012, 05:53

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Postby Geoff_B » 18 Apr 2012, 07:20

Can I just say all your confidence in me is very heartwarming :P
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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Phailhammer » 18 Apr 2012, 07:24

Geoff_B wrote:Can I just say all your confidence in me is badly misplaced


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Geoff_B wrote:Can I just say all this fire on me is very heartwarming :P

Fix'd for realsies this time
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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby SilPho » 18 Apr 2012, 07:28

Suggestions for shopping list: Lithium, Sodium, Potassium, Rubidium, Caesium. Stuff that explodes in water ;) (Ordered by smallest to biggest reaction)
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I will not be surprised if I wake up to find the forum's nothing but a smouldering crater.
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Postby Elomin Sha » 18 Apr 2012, 07:35

HA HAAAAA HA HAH!
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SilPho wrote:Suggestions for shopping list: Lithium, Sodium, Potassium, Rubidium, Caesium. Stuff that explodes in water ;) (Ordered by smallest to biggest reaction)

I recommend potassium from Kazakhstan. All other countries have inferior potassium.
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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Phailhammer » 18 Apr 2012, 07:54

Elomin Sha wrote:HA HAAAAA HA HAH!

That was not a challenge, Elomin.
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Postby Geoff_B » 18 Apr 2012, 07:59

*shrug* Too late now.
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Re: The Hijack Thread aka Elomin's Bag

Postby Phailhammer » 18 Apr 2012, 08:02

I know that. I just wanted to clear up any confusion.
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