STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

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STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby Danielle Pepin » 15 Oct 2012, 16:07

Harper is trying to chain Canada to China with a treaty. REALLY bad for democracy especially since both China and harper are doing the deal behind closed doors like they do with the worst stuff. Here's a page with a link to take action with petitions and letters if you are a Canadian citizen:

http://bit.ly/QKOYJa
Link explains it more too...like China suing Canada for preventing them from making profits...or trying to prevent them from taking over our natural resources! :shock:

Please do write to your MP with optional custom message or use their default. It's super easy!

Edit: Tell Harper via Leadnow at http://www.leadnow.ca/canada-not-for-sale?t=te
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby Metcarfre » 15 Oct 2012, 16:55

Thanks for this.
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby auberginequeen » 15 Oct 2012, 17:59

... Right, I'm swimming to Australia. See you guys in three years.
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby gcninja » 15 Oct 2012, 20:27

Come on! I was gonna go to canada if romney won but you guys are turning batshit loco as well! Where am I supposed to go now?! England?!
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby Danielle Pepin » 15 Oct 2012, 22:03

Also this for writing PM along with MP: http://www.leadnow.ca/canada-not-for-sale?t=te
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby Danielle Pepin » 15 Oct 2012, 22:15

I think Harper would turn us all into living puppets if he could.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXZ699gjAFc&feature=relmfu
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby Darkobra » 15 Oct 2012, 23:43

auberginequeen wrote:... Right, I'm swimming to Australia. See you guys in three years.


Really? You want to go somewhere where games are MORE expensive? Come to Scotland!
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby Lord Chrusher » 16 Oct 2012, 02:29

Plus Australia is already being sold to China.

Giving this from the Green Party of Canada I am inclined to think that this is the Green Party try to make political hay out of a fairly routine trade agreement. I have to admit I am pro free trade.
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby The Mimm » 16 Oct 2012, 02:48

gcninja wrote:Come on! I was gonna go to canada if romney won but you guys are turning batshit loco as well! Where am I supposed to go now?! England?!


I wouldn't, if I were you. We already signed over to do all of China's outsourcing. Basically, England is now to China as India is to England.
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby ecocd » 16 Oct 2012, 03:04

Speaking as a resident of a country that sold out to China long ago, I can tell you that my cheap blue jeans, aspirin and Samsung Galaxy S 2 are pretty sweet. It's a shame you're going to be getting on the bandwagon after the labor reform movement has started there. No heady days of 18 hour sweatshop luxuries for you! Only the expensive 14-hour sweatshop luxuries!

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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby auberginequeen » 16 Oct 2012, 12:45

Darkobra wrote:
auberginequeen wrote:... Right, I'm swimming to Australia. See you guys in three years.


Really? You want to go somewhere where games are MORE expensive? Come to Scotland!


Lord Chrusher wrote:Plus Australia is already being sold to China.

Giving this from the Green Party of Canada I am inclined to think that this is the Green Party try to make political hay out of a fairly routine trade agreement. I have to admit I am pro free trade.


There are only so many English-speaking countries. If I have to live in a country China can fuck over, I'd like to be somewhere with a nice climate.
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby gcninja » 16 Oct 2012, 13:27

yeah, but australia? You're just adding LEAD to the list of things that can now kill you
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby Danielle Pepin » 16 Oct 2012, 23:54

Lord Chrusher wrote:Plus Australia is already being sold to China.

Giving this from the Green Party of Canada I am inclined to think that this is the Green Party try to make political hay out of a fairly routine trade agreement. I have to admit I am pro free trade.


Canada already signed a trade agreement with China ages ago. This TREATY is no treat. It's more than just free trade that we've already been importing for ages. It allows China to take our resources as messily as they see fit. They can probably take the oil sands, truck it, frack it, spill it wherever they please and then sue us for trying to make them cleaner about it.

This treaty being put through in a VERY undemocratic way behind closed doors is what we'll see more of if China joints with Canada in this manner. China is a very dictator controlled and secretive place which is just Harper's style. No doubt he would love it if a joint partnership with China would loosen his democratic leash so he can be more of a dictator like he's obviously trying to be.
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby Danielle Pepin » 17 Oct 2012, 19:30

The following is a reply letter (in reply to MP letter form) expressing that the NDP actively opposes FIPA and CNOOC. I have yet to hear from the Liberals on it.

Thank you for taking the time to share your concerns over the Canada-China Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) as well as your opposition to the Nexen takeover by China National Offshore Oil Corporation (CNOOC).

Please know that the New Democrats are actively opposing both of these deals.

On Nexen , we regret that our call for a thorough, transparent, and public review of this $15.1 billion transaction is being ignored. Now that there has been a 30-day extension, we believe that the Conservatives must use this time to consult with Canadians.

It's also unclear how Canada's environmental standards will be enforced. "There are still many unanswered questions and it's the Conservatives' job to respond to these questions before selling out our resources to the highest bidder," said NDP Energy and Natural Resources critic Peter Julian.

Once again the governing Conservatives are putting the interests of investors before the legitimate concerns of our citizens, experts, and business people. Further, the recent allegations of insider trading raised by the U.S. Security and Exchange Commission (SEC) highlights the importance of public scrutiny.

"I would hope that the Industry Minister uses these additional days to consult with experts, business people and workers who are concerned about the impacts of this
transaction," said Industry critic Hélène LeBlanc. "This is a critical sector of our economy and Canadians have the right to know what they're getting into."

You can read more by following these links:
http://www.ndp.ca/news/government-must- ... n-takeover
http://www.ndp.ca/news/conservatives-mu ... -canadians
http://www.ndp.ca/press/nexen-deal-need ... llegations

Further, the Canada-China FIPA provides an excellent example of why the NDP has long fought for fair trade. It lacks the level of transparency and openness that Canadians deserve. And, once again, the Harper government has signed an agreement against the best interests of Canadians: it exposes taxpayers to costly legal challenges via unaccountable tribunals that do not reflect acceptable standards of the rule of law; and, it does not guarantee Canadian investors the reciprocity with the rights that Chinese investors have secured.

That is why we have called for a public debate on this matter: http://www.dondavies.ca/new-democrats-w ... hina-deal/.

NDP International Trade Critic Don Davies is taking the lead in challenging the Conservative government on the FIPA deal. The following video features Don asking the Minister of International Trade why his government has failed Canadians: http://www.dondavies.ca/don-davies-high ... hina-fipa/

New Democrats remain strong in our commitment to fight for fair trade deals as shown by this adopted resolution:

"BE IT RESOLVED THAT the NDP continue advocating the renegotiation of NAFTA to remove Chapter 11, which enables foreign investors to directly sue governments over public policies.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the NDP advocate amending trade deals to ensure that labour rights are subject to an enforcement mechanism at least as strong as investor rights.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED THAT the NDP call for the application of countervailing import tariffs equal to the cost advantage gained by a foreign producer through violations of labour rights and/or environmental standards." (NDP Federal Council Motion-adopted Oct. 2, 2010)

Going forward, we will continue to speak out against any trade deal that is unfair, negotiated in secret, and would contain grave conditions relating to labour standards, human rights and the environment.

Again, I appreciate hearing from you.

All the best,


Thomas Mulcair, M.P. (Outremont)
Leader of the Official Opposition
New Democratic Party of Canada
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Re: STOP Canada From Selling Out to China

Postby Mowinckel » 17 Oct 2012, 22:48

Darkobra wrote:
auberginequeen wrote:... Right, I'm swimming to Australia. See you guys in three years.


Really? You want to go somewhere where games are MORE expensive? Come to Scotland!



You could come to Denmark, our politics have not gone insane ye... what do you mean "15% votet for the nazi party"???
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Postby Dutch guy » 17 Oct 2012, 23:14

Come to the Netherlands, we've always been insane!
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