Dubious_wolf wrote:so how do i change the eff-ing topic title? seriously no body cares about Adam freaking Baldwin...
You can just edit your first post.
mariomario42 wrote:If these threats are true (ie an statement of attack and not just a threatening tone of a message), this should be taken to the police. Simple as that.
From her twitter:
The reality of the situation seems to be that "the police" are either unwilling or unable to help in these sorts of situations. I would make some other rather uncharitable conjectures about local police departments, but for now I'll stop there. In short, "going to the police" often produces no results until after tangible harm has been done, unless your request gets to the FBI level.
Even then, chances are you're told to go home and live in fear until someone gets physically injured or your house burns down, something the police know how to handle.
Yeah, I admit, the end result of all of this for me has been tremendous disillusionment with both sides. Frankly? I've seen a lot more mature discussion and actual attempts at engagement from the other side than mine. I've been unbelievably disappointed with our side of the fence.Important edit:
Of course, we've also seen the flatly criminal activity and the greatest BULLSHIT from their side as well, but...Edit again: Oh for fuck's sake.
Yes, yes there fucking is. Criminal action. Harassment. A felony. Inexcusable. But the word terrorism is a loaded fucking term, we liberals have given conservatives grief for their constant misuse of it and we don't get to do it now too.
THIS IS NOT HELPING US.The never ending war of self-doubt, mixed feelings and edits
: And yes, of course Anita's suffering tremendously. I shouldn't be expecting perfection from her, and she's no doubt trying the best she can. I know.
But this is what I'm talking about. Faraci's taunting. Moviebob's gleeful jumping in on fat-shaming someone. Sarkeesian posting up unredacted emails, including email addresses, of edit again
harassment to her. Even though the last one has a sense of justice to it, I know, the end result is we look bad. We're willfully lowering ourselves into the muck rather than standing over it on the cliffs and letting our opponents smash against the walls.
We are doing this so badly
First, strictly speaking, what's happening to Sarkeesian is terrorism, "the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." We're just used to state or religious terrorism, but any group that uses intimidation and terror in an attempt to influence politics is guilty of it. White people never get called terrorists because racism, of course.
Otherwise, I understand your frustration. It's tempting to think that perfectly rational, calm actors would somehow rise above the muck and prevail. The problem is that we're not on the cliffs; there are no cliffs. There's only muck. Of course, yes, Hosk's image is undoubtedly correct, there's a huge gradient of positions and the most extreme actors are the ones most vocal about their positions. But it's unclear that stoic, rational disengagement really does stamp out the problem. It seems to just sweep it under the rug, where it will continue to impact those most vulnerable. It's also a falacy to believe that the answer to everything always lies somewhere in the middle; sometimes, people are just wrong about things to which their prejudices blind them.
I would say that Sarkeesian has every right to post those email addresses. Keeping them secret does her no good. The high ground, here, is one that involves her continuing to endure near constant harassment.