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Jurassic World (May Contain Spoilers)

Postby Elomin Sha » 13 Jun 2015, 05:58

After a little worry from some reviews I took my little brother to see the film. My sisters were going to go but one had an anxiety attack and the other wanted to see her aunt who was in hospital. Had to carry my brother home on my shoulders (he's not allowed to walk far) with my stupid broken toe because a protest about the Tories (They're evil we know) stopped taxis being near the cinema.

Anyway, the film was a lot of fun despite one or two small issues. Pratt is a bit of a badass, and raptors racing alongside him on his motorbike is probably the coolest thing ever. I want a fleet of raptors by my side as I cycle to work. I will admit I did have a tear in my eye twice the nostalgia scene at the original park and the lead up to the Tyrannosaurus Rex vs Indominus Rex showdown.

Only real gripes would be the Ingen bad guy is overly set on what he wants to do to the point where you want to shout at the screen "YES! We know he's bad and stupid." He did have a special team brought in but they really had no face time after a helicopter fly-in to show how professional they were. The autistic son was grating for a short time when they were playing up his character flaws

Despite one or two issues I would recommend the film. It is much better than Lost World and III.
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Re: Jurassic World (May Contain Spoilers)

Postby MinniChi » 13 Jun 2015, 07:20

I liked it! They had a nice nod to the original park, without having to force it.
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Re: Jurassic World (May Contain Spoilers)

Postby Volafortis » 15 Jun 2015, 21:27

Ugh, I thought it was awful. Every single plot point in the film relies on the characters making bad decisions or deus ex machina. Warning, my entire post is spoilers.

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The characters didn't feel like real people, they felt like exaggerated caricatures following stereotypes. The romance subplot was unnecessary and forced, not to mention the unabashed rhetoric; "When you have kids," "If," "When." As if not wanting kids is ridiculous.

But it's fine, shes stereotypical serious if airheaded businesswoman and shes practically got to be trembling at the knees the moment she's near stereotypical cock-of-the-walk ex-military man. And let's not forget the kids, the generic needy 10-year old and his angsty and hormonal teenage brother who can't help himself from awkwardly staring at every woman in sight. Let's not forget the villain of the piece, who somehow thinks that breeding/training velociraptors is militarily viable, when things like drones are actual things that exist, and robotics are improving constantly as well as being far less labor-intensive to train, and are far less likely to turn around and eat the handler.

And then we get to the actual story, and wow, where do I even begin? I mean, I guess the two biggest offenders are the scene at the old park, and the dino fight at the end; my issues are thus:

The Old Park:
Alright, so the kids get to the old park, sans way to get back to the main facility. They've been dogged by a super intelligent genetically modified supersaur, but gave it the slip by diving down a waterfall. The dinosaur has shown intelligence enough that it wouldn't be fooled this easily, and a perseverance that it wouldn't give up after only a few seconds, but it's a movie so whatever, suspension of disbelief, I'll let that slide. They get out, walk past the wreckage of a Jeep, just outside a mysterious door. They walk into here and surprise! Your nostalgia is being milked at the old park! They show the old goggles from the first movies which A) still somehow work (batteries?) and B) are totally irrelevant.

Anyway, they find a 20+ year old Jeep that's overgrown in some kind of kudzu or whatnot, and well I'll be damned if these two kids aren't immediately able to tell the the only issue with it is a dead battery, even though I mean it's 20+ years old and has plants growing in it, and if it runs on gasoline, well that would have gone bad by now, but I think I recall them being electric, but that really doesn't help them, because an electric vehicle has a big battery that you can't just toss in a replacement, not to mention the typical mice in various air filters and gnawed through hoses and whatnot you'd realistically get here, but no, just a dead battery, and a regular car battery sized battery too, so it must be gasoline, and while they don't have any spare parts or batteries in the garage, it's a good thing the crashed jeep still has a battery which miraculously fits despite being a 20+ year newer model, and it's a good thing none of the dinosaurs have caught on to them being there.

But anyway these kids fix this Jeep and happen to know the way back to the main facility and leave not one minute before airhead business lady and cocky ex-military man show up, genetic supersaur in tow. That's my problem with that scene, and where I really started to think that it wasn't just poorly written characters, but a poorly written film in general.

The Dinosaur Fight:
So a bunch of convoluted dumb stuff occurs where we find out the supersaur is part raptor and able to talk to the trained raptors and get them to betray cocky ex-military man, who has been up until now the de facto leader of the pack of velociraptors but is suddenly outclassed. Dinos vs. humans ensues, humans are losing, then the raptors (only three out of four though. This is important.) encounter cocky ex-military man and he's desperate and the decide to fight for him again, but the supersaur is ultimately too much for them, and it kills all but one of them, who seems to be about to become a delightful snack when a T-Rex that the raptor has no reason to view as anything other a predator which has been freed shows up on the scene, having been freed to fight the supersaur.

It seems even for a while, until the supersaur manages to kill the seemingly final raptor so it can turn full attention to the T.Rex which the film has spent so much time establishing the the supersaur is so much more badass than the T.Rex so you can imagine well about how that fight is going to go. Just as the T.Rex is about to die, the fourth raptor leaps in from the shadows, teaming up with the T.Rex. (It at one point is actually riding the T.Rex's shoulders), they manage to drive the supersaur back toward a pool where the giant dino-whale (mosasaurus?) suddenly leaps out of the water to eat the supersaur and then recede. Mind you, the entire duration of the fight, the humans(ex-mil, srsbiz lady, and ages 10&16 here) stood eyes agog rather than taking advantage of it to high-tail it the fuck out of there. But that's fine, because after giving each other bro nods, the raptor and T.Rex decide to go gentle into that good night and leave them to their peace.

I mean, these just strike me as the worst offending moments. I could talk about how it makes no sense to call for a thermal scan when you have a tracking device in the dinosaur (This is how it gets out)? Why do they not use these implants like wireless electric fences to deliver a shock whenever they leave captivity range? Why do they add in a divorce subplot for the children? (Answer; so some good can come of the trip. They seem to rescind any standing divorce plans upon being reunited with the kids.)


The movie was written like bad Jurassic Park fanfaction; rather than making me care about the characters, it immediately assumed I did. The human villain was poorly thought out, and like I said; EVERY. SINGLE. PLOT. DEVELOPMENT. relied on either bad decision making or deus ex machina. It was so busy assuming that it was good that it forgot to actually do anything to make the film good.

I mean, I understand that it's about an amusement park with genetically bred dinosaurs; some suspension of disbelief is required. I have no problem with that, though. The first Jurassic Park film was quite successful of turning this concept into a good movie. Sure, it's unfair to hold it to that standard, but surely I should hold it to some standard. Just my rant, though.

EDIT: And don't even get me started on the cheeky one-liners and horrid attempts at humor.
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Postby Elomin Sha » 16 Jun 2015, 05:26

Jurassic World seems to be a you like it or you don't.
My manager at worked loved the film, whereas another employee didn't like it excet for the two really good scenes. He also said people had fallen asleep in the film or left.
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Postby AdmiralMemo » 16 Jun 2015, 06:18

From what I've seen and heard, it appears to be a movie based solely around "spectacle" kind of like Avatar and such.
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Postby Elomin Sha » 16 Jun 2015, 06:33

Give me dinosaurs and I'm happy.
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Postby Bebop Man » 16 Jun 2015, 14:02

Was I the only one who was a little disappointed with the Indominus? All that build up about new hybrid dinos and it doesn't look that different from a T-Red or a Carnotaurus.

I dunno, besides the bike scene there's nothing much new to the series and never got as excited or amazed as I think I should've.
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Postby Duckay » 16 Jun 2015, 16:31

I laughed a lot throughout the movie, but the friend I was with nearly fell asleep. I was filled with childish glee at things like (spoilers for the end of the movie) the T. rex, raptor and I. Rex fighting, only for the mosasaurus to swoop in and finish it off. That doesn't mean I think it worked well as far as plot goes, nor that it was objectively a good film. Just that it filled me with glee to watch dinosaurs fighting.
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Postby Elomin Sha » 17 Jun 2015, 05:50

If you like that Duckay I recommend the 60 years of Godzilla films or if oyu want Godzilla beating the hell out of other kaiju - Godzilla Final Wars.
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Postby AdmiralMemo » 27 Nov 2015, 21:18

Just watched it. Had a blast. I only had 2 big issues with it. (Vola stated a bunch of minor issues, but they didn't jump out at me at the time, probably because I went in expecting a "dinos get loose and terrorize both each other and the humans" movie, and that's what I got. Like I said before I even saw it: it went in for spectacle, and that's what it gave.)
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  1. Claire never took her frickin' high heels off! What an idiot! I was yelling at her the whole movie. You're tromping around in a jungle in friggin' heels? You deserve to trip on a root, fall, and break your neck!
  2. This was clearly set on Isla Nublar, the setting for Lost World & JP3, not Isla Sorna, the setting for JP. The boats at the beginning, the shape of the island, the pteranadon cage: it's all Site B. Therefore, how do the kids find the old park? What did inGen do? Move the whole old building to the new island? That's unfeasible. So is it just a copy of the other building? I doubt it, because it's just as trashed. That's not just decay. That's actual dino damage. They were clearly implying that it was the same building as the first movie, but that's a giant plot hole.
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You label Hoskins as the villain of the piece, and I disagree. Villainy requires malicious intent, and I don't see that anyone has that. You call it bad JP Fanfiction, and with that in mind, that's why there's no villain. Antagonists? Sure, plenty. But outright villains? No.

Everyone is holding the idiot ball in this movie at some point. Hoskins is a sleazy, manipulative opportunist, but he's doing what he does to help the company succeed financially. Masrani is so clouded with Hammond's idealism that he doesn't even know what they used to create the iRex. Wu was too far into science for science's sake that he didn't even bother caring about the implications. (Also, he apparently has a little side business with Hoskins.) The kids were just doofuses. Zara was too into herself to care about the kids. Claire was an airhead who wouldn't take her friggin' heels off the whole movie, and that's just for starters. The raptors found the iRex, and just defected to it, despite being raised by Owen this whole time. Heck, the iRex was stupid enough that, despite being able to turn invisible, only did so twice in the whole movie! Owen and Barry were the only ones with sense this whole time, and even Owen had his stupid moments near the end. None of them have malicious intent, thus, they can't be villains.
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Re: Jurassic World (May Contain Spoilers)

Postby RoboNixon » 29 Nov 2015, 06:35

I did enjoy this movie, but it has a lot of plot holes. I feel like the writers said "It's a Jurassic Park movie. Audiences know what to expect." You probably know what you're getting before you even watch it. If you take it on that level it's enjoyable.

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That being said, did anyone else feel like some Hoskins' scenes were cut? He was the only person with a contingency plan (he called in the rescue boats), and I feel like they cut scenes to make him more a cartoony villian for the kids. He was the only character with clear motivations and acted on them. If he survived he would've been the hero for saving everyone. Technically, the raptors did eventually follow orders and attack the A-rex too.

Also, they had no plan for the aviary breaking. Oh well :P
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Postby AdmiralMemo » 29 Nov 2015, 20:28

I think you're right. Some Hoskins scenes may have been cut.
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