Ghostbusters 2016

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Are you going to see it?

Yes
7
19%
No
17
46%
Not sure
4
11%
Yes, but not in the cinema
9
24%
 
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Elomin Sha » 12 Jul 2016, 13:05

That's Bjorn. Does anyone remember me talking about Bjorn? It's been 5 years. Bjorn's the optimist I'm the arsehole.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Bebop Man » 12 Jul 2016, 17:45

I think nowadays people are iffy-er about going full on "Yeah, we're making a remake". It's always part remake, part reboot, part whatever's convenient. Like how Ep VII is technically a sequel, but at the same time feels like a remake of Ep IV, and also a sort of reboot (the whole plot is basically Back To Square One).

I think the whole concept of remake has taken a negative turn, a kind of "let's fix it even if it's now broken". By making it into a reboot, you're wiping your hands and going "Okay, new canon". But the "new canon" is always 75% identical to the original canon. It's one gigantic compromise. In the end you're paying to watch the same thing again, now to a slightly different tune.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Darkflame » 13 Jul 2016, 03:27

TV seems more onball to me recently. Theres a lot of late sequals.
Not always that great. But "Minority Report" I gave a shot at because it was a squeal series. I dont think I would have wanted just a retelling.
"Limitless" was also a squeal series, and that was utterly brilliant. (RIP Limitless :( )
Prison Break's getting another series (somehow), also Twin Peaks.

I am infinitely more interested in them all because they are not reboots.

Some universe's are rich enough to build on. In fact, most are. See the characters influence over longer periods, or other perspective or points in the same world. New stuff. In some cases they might even be prequels or midquals. (The previous non-Bourne-Bourne film I enjoyed the fact it run concurrently with the third one.) By not doing a reboot, you instantly have a richer world to build from.

Or, to put it another way; Give me Legend of Korra over a Avatar reboot anyday.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Elomin Sha » 13 Jul 2016, 04:56

Sequel. No a. I tried to watch Minority Report and I noticed a running plot issue in the second episode. There's a clue that leads to a miss guess at the perp. I gave up assuming that they were going to keep on doing that every episode.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Darkflame » 13 Jul 2016, 11:33

Yes. Minority Report wasn't great for more or less that reason. They didn't do that every time, but it was common enough.
Its strengths were far more in its depiction of the future and ongoing plot.
The little details to the world were nice. Arguably it was too conservative in its future tech at times, showing us things that we have now but arnt yet on sale (ie. a tiny drone that flys off your wrist to take selfies - WE HAVE THAT NOW!).
But it still felt a depiction of a real future - not a utopia or a distopia. Not bladerunner or star-trek or a post-apocalypse. Its oddly rare to get that on a tv show.

But, yes, the individual episode plots wernt great.
My point was merely the only reason I watched it *at all* was it wasn't just retelling the films story with different actors. (Especially as it addressed my one issue with the film - that a precog might still want to stop murders even if they cant convict them for it)
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby AdmiralMemo » 13 Jul 2016, 19:56

Arclight_Dynamo wrote:...we are aware that the "original" Ghostbusters film was itself a remake of a television show, right?
No it wasn't.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Arclight_Dynamo » 13 Jul 2016, 22:32

Once again, if it has the same name and the same general concept, I'm comfortable calling it a remake.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Darkflame » 14 Jul 2016, 04:58

So "Jurassic Park:The Lost World" is a remake of Sir Arthur Conan Doyles "Lost World"?
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Bebop Man » 14 Jul 2016, 05:14

Arclight_Dynamo wrote:Once again, if it has the same name and the same general concept, I'm comfortable calling it a remake.


A more versatile method is, are the original writers credited? If not, it's not a remake.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Arclight_Dynamo » 14 Jul 2016, 08:53

Darkflame wrote:So "Jurassic Park:The Lost World" is a remake of Sir Arthur Conan Doyles "Lost World"?


Of course not.

I suppose I should qualify my statement by saying that if the names are the same by coincidence, it's not a remake. In the case of The Lost World, then, it wasn't a remake. But in the case of Ghostbusters, where the name was consciously chosen and paid for, it was a remake.

There needs to be an intention to remake.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Elomin Sha » 14 Jul 2016, 09:45

But they picked the name not knowing of The Ghost Busters, then paid for it. Archlight, you're wrong in this.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Arclight_Dynamo » 14 Jul 2016, 17:08

Ah, they coincidentally had the same name, and just paid to get around legal issues? Then, yes, I'm wrong - I thought they paid to use the IP. Not a remake, in that case.

Though... all of this is a huge tangent. My original point was that remake/not-remake doesn't tell you anything about the final quality of a movie, and complaints that "Hollywood is making too many remakes" thus entirely miss the point.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Bebop Man » 14 Jul 2016, 19:58

I'd say the vast majority of remakes suck. Then again so does the vast majority of movies.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Elomin Sha » 15 Jul 2016, 02:53

I already addressed that argument.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Darkflame » 15 Jul 2016, 05:04

For reference Coming Soon:

BFG (remake)
Absolutely Fabulous: The Movie (late sequal to series)
Pete's Dragon (remake)
The Magnificent Seven (remake)
Beauty and the Beast (remake)
Power Rangers (reboot)
Ghost in the Shell (remake)
Baywatch (reboot)

(I am not 100% sure with which are remakes/reboots - I have used remake where its likely the basic story is the same, and reboot when its likely different story, but same premise)





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Darkflame wrote:So "Jurassic Park:The Lost World" is a remake of Sir Arthur Conan Doyles "Lost World"?


Of course not.

I suppose I should qualify my statement by saying that if the names are the same by coincidence, it's not a remake. In the case of The Lost World, then, it wasn't a remake. But in the case of Ghostbusters, where the name was consciously chosen and paid for, it was a remake.

There needs to be an intention to remake.


I would guess in the case of The Lost World it was probably a deliberately tribute name wise, but I admit thats not really relevant.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Bebop Man » 15 Jul 2016, 08:24

Darkflame wrote:For reference Coming Soon:

BFG (remake)
Absolutely Fabulous: The Movie (late sequal to series)
Pete's Dragon (remake)
The Magnificent Seven (remake)
Beauty and the Beast (remake)
Power Rangers (reboot)
Ghost in the Shell (remake)
Baywatch (reboot)

(I am not 100% sure with which are remakes/reboots - I have used remake where its likely the basic story is the same, and reboot when its likely different story, but same premise)





Arclight_Dynamo wrote:
Darkflame wrote:So "Jurassic Park:The Lost World" is a remake of Sir Arthur Conan Doyles "Lost World"?


Of course not.

I suppose I should qualify my statement by saying that if the names are the same by coincidence, it's not a remake. In the case of The Lost World, then, it wasn't a remake. But in the case of Ghostbusters, where the name was consciously chosen and paid for, it was a remake.

There needs to be an intention to remake.


I would guess in the case of The Lost World it was probably a deliberately tribute name wise, but I admit thats not really relevant.


BFG, Beauty & Beast and Ghost in the Shell aren't remakes, but new adaptations of preexistent stories.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Darkflame » 15 Jul 2016, 11:01

Fair point.
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Twin Peaks (very late sequal)
Prison Break (slightly late sequal)
Lethal Weapon (reboot)
The Exorcist (reboot....I think)
MacGyver (reboot)
Training Day (not sure)
Lethal Weapon (not sure, reboot I assume).
Taken (reboot)


Most of these are films to tv, which makes them adaptions. But unless its the same continuity (like Stargate SG1 was) Id say its also a reboot.
However, in regards to above, this time I left of shows that I knew were adaptions from books. (or comics....Riverdale looks weird).
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Elomin Sha » 15 Jul 2016, 12:20

Guys at work went to see the film. They really enjoyed it, one of who didn't like the trailer said it was a lot better than he thought it would be. But, they told me that I would not like the humour, being below me.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby korvys » 17 Jul 2016, 16:38

Well, at least from the people I follow on twitter (and therefore, the people who's opinions I care about), their impressions of film have been overwhelmingly positive. So that's nice. I'll probably go see it this week some time.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Elomin Sha » 17 Jul 2016, 16:53

Having polled more of the store their consenus was, nothing good, nothing bad, average. The film buff of the group did say there were some major plot holes.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Genghis Ares » 17 Jul 2016, 19:07

My parents saw it over the weekend. My Father said it was "Pretty Darn Good". To give some context though he thought exactly the same thing about Deadpool and Pixels.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby korvys » 17 Jul 2016, 19:25

Well Deadpool was really good, and Pixels was... not. So I guess what we've learned is that Ghostbusters is somewhere in that range?
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Psyclone » 17 Jul 2016, 23:04

The more I hear about it, the more I'm actually really excited to see it. Everyone I've talked to says it's enjoyable and well done, and that the female characters are very three-dimensional and it doesn't feel forced. I think maybe we (or at least I) were worried over nothing.

And apparently there's like zero fat jokes in the entire movie? Which is not an indicator of quality but is still pretty cool.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Genghis Ares » 18 Jul 2016, 18:51

I don't know if anyone follows RedLetterMedia, but they put up their Half in the Bag review of it. I enjoy their comedic take on reviewing movies, and often tend to agree with their reviews. Spoilers: They really didn't like it.


Also, I watched a video from Comic Book Girl 19 about the entire Ghostbusters 2016 controversy as well as some thoughts on the movie and why it was made which I found rather interesting.

Anyway, just thought I'd share them as most of the professional critic reviews I've read always seem to be positive compared to the general audience response. And with some reviews, I kind of get a feeling they're inflating their reviews in order to not get backlash. Not saying people didn't enjoy on it's own merits, but I think it's a shame that the controversy became more important for some.
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Re: Ghostbusters 2016

Postby Elomin Sha » 19 Jul 2016, 01:29

I've bounced around some youtube reviewers: MundaneMatt didn't like it, neither did Angry Joe. Others liked it but said it was average. I don't like average, I want bad or good.
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