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An interesting Article you guys should read.

Postby Unclever title » 17 May 2008, 06:42

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I, though admittedly not very well, know a one armed guy who plays Halo pretty well, much better than me at least. And yes, using an x-box controller.
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Postby Kara » 17 May 2008, 09:05

Thanks for sharing.
It had never really occurred to me how important gaming could be to some people.
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Postby korri » 17 May 2008, 09:26

i've heard of people who are blind who can still play video games just by sound... which is pretty impressive
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Postby Lavos » 17 May 2008, 09:40

I bet I can destroy a one armed girl in halo.
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Postby Master Gunner » 17 May 2008, 09:50

Lavos wrote:I bet I can "destroy" a one armed little girl.

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Postby Vaughn » 17 May 2008, 10:32

Ack! Matt Boyd of ThreePanelSoul Wrote that =D
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Postby Kawaiicaps » 17 May 2008, 10:44

korri wrote:i've heard of people who are blind who can still play video games just by sound... which is pretty impressive


I saw a show about video games and they profiled a girl that was able to "play" Pokemon just by sound.
It was BS though, she was not able to play the game. all she did was go through the pokedex one by one, select the pokemon and click to hear their sound and know which pokemon she had picked from it's sound. she did not play the game in the since you or I would play the game.

Now my 3 year old nephew beat halo 2 all by himself and his hands can't reach around the controller they are so tiny. he has to let go of the joystick, reach around and then fire. he just got so fast at it he can win matchmaking games online too.
that's more impressive to me because he is actually playing the game and winning despite the tiny hands and... well... being 3 years old.
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Postby zombine » 17 May 2008, 10:54

Why would you(they) let a 3 year old play mature games? It's clearly subject matter too old for someone that young. I know its the parents right to decide and all, but still, the ratings are there for a reason.
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Postby CyberTractor » 17 May 2008, 10:57

zombine wrote:Why would you(they) let a 3 year old play mature games? It's clearly subject matter too old for someone that young. I know its the parents right to decide and all, but still, the ratings are there for a reason.


Aright, Cooper Lawerence. Some 3 year olds are quite mature.

My little cousin listens to Chopin and Bach (by choice, he hates unrefined music says him) and can already play piano at the age of 3.

Quite impressive.



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Postby Unclever title » 17 May 2008, 11:32

Vaughn wrote:Ack! Matt Boyd of ThreePanelSoul Wrote that =D


How do you think I found the link?

CyberTractor wrote:Aright, Cooper Lawerence. Some 3 year olds are quite mature.

My little cousin listens to Chopin and Bach (by choice, he hates unrefined music says him) and can already play piano at the age of 3.

Quite impressive.


Indeed that IS impressive, but I mean that doesn't quite cover the age gap between the ages of 17 and 3. A fourteen year difference? There are some things that can only be learned over time, admittedly some people are faster than others at learning these things, but the ERSB ratings exist for a REASON!

When you're 3 years old you don' have the same filters as when you're older, fantasy and reality are closer together, appropriate/inappropriate behavior in given situations has a less solid definition, etc. Musical skill is not a measure of maturity, just good taste. :)

Besides anyone can play the piano given enough practice, small fingers or not. Obviously I assume you meant that he plays the piano well, which again relies mostly on practice.
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Postby Melendwyr » 17 May 2008, 11:35

Actually, children are much better at distinguishing between fantasy and reality than adults are. The more you play pretend, the easier it becomes. Adults rarely play at pretending - they take it all very seriously.
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Postby Vaughn » 17 May 2008, 12:17

Unclever title wrote:
Vaughn wrote:Ack! Matt Boyd of ThreePanelSoul Wrote that =D


How do you think I found the link?


Thats actually how i found out he wrote it, glazed over the author when i read it, even the fact that it was Kwanzoo, but was later directed to it from there. =4
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Postby The R » 17 May 2008, 13:48

Unclever title wrote:Indeed that IS impressive, but I mean that doesn't quite cover the age gap between the ages of 17 and 3. A fourteen year difference? There are some things that can only be learned over time, admittedly some people are faster than others at learning these things, but the ERSB ratings exist for a REASON!

When you're 3 years old you don' have the same filters as when you're older, fantasy and reality are closer together, appropriate/inappropriate behavior in given situations has a less solid definition, etc. Musical skill is not a measure of maturity, just good taste.

Besides anyone can play the piano given enough practice, small fingers or not. Obviously I assume you meant that he plays the piano well, which again relies mostly on practice.


Thank you. I really dislike it when people mix up book smarts/skills with maturity. I have known some people much younger than me who are far more talented, but will completely screw everything up in something as simple as a small conflict.

For example, when you see stuff on say the maury show about a 13 year old girl who believes she is mature enough to have a baby, but when asked, they never seem to think about the time, commitment, costs, ect. that comes with being a parent. Or that 15 year old who killed his dad because he wouldn't let him use myspace. Or any other angsty teen that deals with a petty break-up by making fake suicide attempts for attention.

When we are younger (especally in our adolescent years) we love to give ourselves far more credit than we deserve and always assume we are "far more mature" than anyone and adults. I sure learned that the hard way, as I was quite guilty of it in my childhood & teen years; heck I ruined a lot of good friendships over petty bullshit, and nearly mangled my hands & face in a close-call with fireworks when I thought so much that "I know what i'm doing". Also Even at 16, I thought I could handle basically anything... and then I saw "Unknown russian soldier.avi/I miss the cold war" or the Budd Dwyer suicide video. That sure stuck with me for a while.

TL;DR: Maturity comes with time & experience/lessons learned.

But back to the article, quite interesting indeed and I might want to get a foot pedal since my left thumb is all screwed up.
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Postby Alja-Markir » 17 May 2008, 14:58

Geez, you injured your left thumb? That from the aforementioned fireworks?

Well shit. I always cringe when I imagine losing the utility of something as useful as a thumb. My condolences, and here's hoping it's not as bad as it sounds, or that it gets better in time. I consider myself quite lucky to have never suffered a major injury.

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Postby CyberTractor » 17 May 2008, 15:12

I have the ability to see the most grotesque images or hear the most disturbing stories and have absolutely no mental images in my head. I can dissociate at will whenever I'm about to hear or do something I don't want to (like getting shots). <_<;;


Anyway, there are some small children who are very mature. It doesn't necessarily come with age and experiences, but more so the ability to see different situation and have enough foresight to see how they will turn out ahead of time.

My cousin fully understands that video games are not reality and that it's not acceptable to act like that in real life. He's a smart little bugger.
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Postby The R » 17 May 2008, 15:18

Alja-Markir wrote:Geez, you injured your left thumb? That from the aforementioned fireworks?

Well shit. I always cringe when I imagine losing the utility of something as useful as a thumb. My condolences, and here's hoping it's not as bad as it sounds, or that it gets better in time. I consider myself quite lucky to have never suffered a major injury.

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Heh, it actually wasn't fireworks amazingly. True, it's not as bad as you think, but It's one of those annoying things that nobody can seem to give me a straight diagnosis/answer on making it better. Basically I have full functionality, but I get rather bad pain in the thumb when I do anything pinching-repetitive, that compounds and gets worse, and only goes down after 4~10hrs of total inactivity. Started when I was working in a mail room in Toronto in early 2005.

3 family doctors, 6 walk-in clinic trips, 2 physiotharapists

and three years, later and I still have no answer. Also Ibuprofen, Acetaminophen , Aspirin, Tylenol 3 (codine), even lots of alcohol does absolutely nothing for the pain.

So basically I haven't played a single real console game for longer than 20 minutes without extreme pain since I finished Metal Gear Solid 3. Basically all console games are ruled out with the exception of FFTactics which I can play with my index fingers since its turn based.

I can sort-of play computer games, but only for 2~3 hours 1 day a week (more finger insensive as opposed to console which is all about the thumbs).
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Postby Alja-Markir » 17 May 2008, 15:25

I assume they've all just kinda thought carpal tunnel or something like basic nerve pinch or ligament problems? It could be something as unusual as an infection of the sinovial fluid, an imbedded foreign object or chemical, or even physical displacement of the joint(s).

What triggered it, do you recall? Mail rooms aren't known for much strenuous hand work, even with repetitive motions, aside from writing, and that'd be more wrist based.

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Postby The R » 17 May 2008, 15:26

CyberTractor wrote:I have the ability to see the most grotesque images or hear the most disturbing stories and have absolutely no mental images in my head. I can dissociate at will whenever I'm about to hear or do something I don't want to (like getting shots). <_<;;


Anyway, there are some small children who are very mature. It doesn't necessarily come with age and experiences, but more so the ability to see different situation and have enough foresight to see how they will turn out ahead of time.

My cousin fully understands that video games are not reality and that it's not acceptable to act like that in real life. He's a smart little bugger.


Yes, there are exceptions like a family of home-schooled kids I know who are probably the brightest people I know, but generally the majority kid/younger population are more sensitive/immature. Not everyone can be the exception. If that were the case, there would be no need for ESRB/ movie ratings.

Even If I ever had kids, id still proceed with caution (limiting various things) despite how good of a parent i would think I am.
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Postby The R » 17 May 2008, 15:28

Alja-Markir wrote:I assume they've all just kinda thought carpal tunnel or something like basic nerve pinch or ligament problems? It could be something as unusual as an infection of the sinovial fluid, an imbedded foreign object or chemical, or even physical displacement of the joint(s).

What triggered it, do you recall? Mail rooms aren't known for much strenuous hand work, even with repetitive motions, aside from writing, and that'd be more wrist based.

~Alja~


It actually was really repetitive collating paper stuff full time. But soon I am going to a specialist who will check for "nerve damage" or whatever he called it.
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Postby Melendwyr » 17 May 2008, 15:30

The R wrote:If that were the case, there would be no need for ESRB/ movie ratings.


Those ratings are needed to pacify busybody adults who would otherwise ban or censor the works in question. They're not needed to protect children. Protect them from what?
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Postby Alja-Markir » 17 May 2008, 15:34

The fact that the pain doesn't decrease from treatment does seem to suggest a nervous system problem primarily. Good luck with that my friend!

I once had my neck lock up for a week because a nerve bundle got twisted in my sleep. I was stuck with my head craned all the way to the right and back. Made sleeping a bitch, would wake up whenever I moved. Fortunately the nerves slipped back around through some specialized stretches I had recommended to me. Was a freaky week.

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Re: An interesting Article you guys should read.

Postby The Happy Friar » 17 May 2008, 16:28

Unclever title wrote:The Link
I, though admittedly not very well, know a one armed guy who plays Halo pretty well, much better than me at least. And yes, using an x-box controller.

why read when you can watch the video release over 1 year ago!
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Postby The R » 17 May 2008, 16:31

Melendwyr wrote:
The R wrote:If that were the case, there would be no need for ESRB/ movie ratings.


Those ratings are needed to pacify busybody adults who would otherwise ban or censor the works in question. They're not needed to protect children. Protect them from what?


Rating systems are not perfect, but do provide some sense of what to expect. Not every parent has the time to review every movie they would deem them fit (knowing how sensitive their kid would be or whatnot), but for crying out loud, if I had a 5 year old kid who pointed out in a video store what they wanted to see "Audition", "urotsukidoji" , or "Hostel" I would say no.
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Postby Corax » 18 May 2008, 09:01

woo! age of conan was mentioned! by the way AoC is amazing
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Postby Corax » 18 May 2008, 09:06

"On the more extreme end, someone might need customized hardware, something like a “quad controller” for quadriplegics, which work from mouth and tongue inputs."

if you are using a quad controller and get quad damage does that make it 16x?

Also i remember i saw a video (cant find it atm) of Ed Boon playign mortal kombat against a blind guy and losing lol.
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