metcarfre wrote:Religious debate.
Keep this thread on track with the topic or I will lock it.
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[/quote]Tim wrote:Just a couple of things in your post that I'd like to comment on.Telaril wrote:For instance, certain religions are or have been strongly against interracial love and marriage.
I question whether it is/was the religion itself that was against interracial marriage, or if it was (some of) the religion's followers who were against it. There's a big difference there.
Tim wrote:Telaril wrote:I can imagine changing some ideas about your faith without "straying" or "losing it."
Absolutely. I feel very differently about a lot of things than I did ten years ago. But not about the core of it. Not about the essential, boiled down concept of Christianity. And my commitment to that core concept is such that I can't see romantic love changing it.
I don't question that "new evidence" or a new perspective might lead you to change your beliefs. But if entering into a romantic relationship with someone who holds different beliefs is enough to cause you to change yours just so you can be with them, then you aren't committed to what you believe. It means you don't prioritize your beliefs above your desire for romance, and that goes against the nature of my belief, and the nature of other belief systems as well, afaict.
Bob The Magic Camel wrote:Another reason it can cause trouble in a relationship is the immense weight that the knowledge that when your significant other dies that is the last you will see of them. I have no end of solace for parents whose children reject Christianity, and do not know why anyone would bring that on themselves.
Matt wrote:Bob The Magic Camel wrote:Another reason it can cause trouble in a relationship is the immense weight that the knowledge that when your significant other dies that is the last you will see of them. I have no end of solace for parents whose children reject Christianity, and do not know why anyone would bring that on themselves.
Simply offering a counterperspective: I don't consider it "having brought [something] on" myself. There's simply no point in fretting over the unknowable. If there's nothing after death, then I won't be around to be upset about it. If there is, well, neat.
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Jillers wrote:Think about all the experiences and intimate connections (not necessarily sexual) you are missing out on because you refuse to date someone who does not share your beliefs - religious or political.
Matt wrote:Bob The Magic Camel wrote:Another reason it can cause trouble in a relationship is the immense weight that the knowledge that when your significant other dies that is the last you will see of them. I have no end of solace for parents whose children reject Christianity, and do not know why anyone would bring that on themselves.
Simply offering a counterperspective: I don't consider it "having brought [something] on" myself. There's simply no point in fretting over the unknowable. If there's nothing after death, then I won't be around to be upset about it. If there is, well, neat.
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Telaril wrote:FlintPaper577 wrote:Funny, now that the idea of pitched battle has been raised I find my trigger finger gettin' itchy. Must resist...
AnywayLord Chrusher wrote:Religious beliefs are mutable. One can drift away from religion much as one can find it, never mind exchanging one belief for another. I am not sure if this is a good question for this thread but could love be strong enough for you to change your religious beliefs.
I think if you changed your 'beliefs' for love, it would seem as you neither held real beliefs in the first place, nor would you hold any afterwards.
I'd disagree with that. One of the things I most value in the guys I like is the ability to learn from each other. I'm always wanting to learn new stuff, hear new interpretations, and argue about the Greek. A guy who could argue intelligently and compassionately enough to teach me something new... would be excellent.
Alternately, I can imagine falling in love with someone negating a specific religious belief. For instance, certain religions are or have been strongly against interracial love and marriage. I can see how someone who fell in love with someone of another race could then decide to change their faith. Same for someone who fell in love with a person of the same gender.
I've known a number of people like that, who converted from a branch of Christianity that disapproves of homosexuality to one that doesn't. I still respect their faith and beliefs, and how difficult the decision may be.
I can imagine changing some ideas about your faith without "straying" or "losing it."
spartanhelmet wrote:So, I'm going to throw a question into the mix...
In terms of religions, how do denominational differences work out in terms of the OP? Would you date a protestant/baptist/eastern orthodox/evangelical with the thought of "well, they're christian"?.. or is there too much difference.
If you respond yes to the first, that's cool... I'm Church of Scotland baptised, so therefore presbyterian protestant (would you have picked it). Funny, considering I have a Catholic baptised (but nontheist) father and a nontheist mother.
spartanhelmet wrote:So, I'm going to throw a question into the mix...
In terms of religions, how do denominational differences work out in terms of the OP? Would you date a protestant/baptist/eastern orthodox/evangelical with the thought of "well, they're christian"?.. or is there too much difference.
spartanhelmet wrote:So, I'm going to throw a question into the mix...
In terms of religions, how do denominational differences work out in terms of the OP? Would you date a protestant/baptist/eastern orthodox/evangelical with the thought of "well, they're christian"?.. or is there too much difference.
ThePhatBunny.net wrote:When it comes to denominational differences, I really think it's a case-by-case thing for me. I don't think I'd have any problem dating/marrying someone from a Baptist, Anglican, Catholic, or Pentecostal church background if that was the only changing variable. The thing I would think about is where we are going to go to church as a couple, and where we are going to take our children. I come from a Protestant background (specifically Christian Reformed), and if my wife was Catholic we would have to figure out which of us was going to "change approaches," as it were. So there might be some tension there on those grounds. It wouldn't necessarily be a deal-breaker, but it would be something I'd want to look very closely at before committing too far.
spartanhelmet wrote:So, I'm going to throw a question into the mix...
In terms of religions, how do denominational differences work out in terms of the OP? Would you date a protestant/baptist/eastern orthodox/evangelical with the thought of "well, they're christian"?.. or is there too much difference.
If you respond yes to the first, that's cool... I'm Church of Scotland baptised, so therefore presbyterian protestant (would you have picked it). Funny, considering I have a Catholic baptised (but nontheist) father and a nontheist mother.
ThePhatBunny.net wrote:When it comes to denominational differences, I really think it's a case-by-case thing for me. I don't think I'd have any problem dating/marrying someone from a Baptist, Anglican, Catholic, or Pentecostal church background if that was the only changing variable. The thing I would think about is where we are going to go to church as a couple, and where we are going to take our children. I come from a Protestant background (specifically Christian Reformed), and if my wife was Catholic we would have to figure out which of us was going to "change approaches," as it were. So there might be some tension there on those grounds. It wouldn't necessarily be a deal-breaker, but it would be something I'd want to look very closely at before committing too far.
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