Sonic and the Black Knight

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Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Kathleen » 19 Sep 2011, 10:32

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/ ... ack-Knight

Yes, you read that correctly. The Black Knight. No, not the Monty Python one, that would be so much better.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Terminus » 19 Sep 2011, 11:17

Another confusing cutscene from a franchise that needs to be number two in line for the euthanasia machine. Right after Star Wars.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Gap Filler » 19 Sep 2011, 11:17

Used to know quite a few terminal Sonic fans, most of whom probably defended this game (and the many others from the past ten years or so) despite themselves. Damn man, but the Sonic fandom is every bit as masochistic as seen in that one ENN episode.

I sometimes wonder if Yuji Naka wakes up every once in a while thinking the past decade have just been some horrible dream, if only (and this is perhaps rather cruel) because imagining his expression when he looks in the mirror and realises that, yes, this is reality, is terribly amusing.

Yes, I know he and the rest of the Sonic Team OG's have long since left Sega (think he was the last to go in fact). Point stands.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vigafre » 19 Sep 2011, 11:21

I'm probably wrong, but I don't think the Storybook Chronicles are canon, as much as that's worth.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Geoff_B » 19 Sep 2011, 13:14

@Graham no I think this is more comprehensible than FF Crystal Bearers. But only just :D

I love the jump cut from rendered FMV to two-dimensional storyboards :D

Oh yeah and I was wondering what do you do with the games after Unskippable? Do you return them or keep hold of them?
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby ecks » 19 Sep 2011, 14:21

Geoff_B wrote:Oh yeah and I was wondering what do you do with the games after Unskippable? Do you return them or keep hold of them?
Or in this case, dispose of them in a fire.

Speaking of Monty Python, I'm begining to develop a response to the word 'Sonic' not unlike a certain group of knights response to the word 'it'.

I wasn't aware of this game's existence until now, and it turns out ignorance really is bliss.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby ElementalAlchemist » 19 Sep 2011, 15:04

Sonic looks really out of place in these new games. You have this semi-realistic-looking RPG world with some fantasy elements that very nicely form a part of it. You see the world, and it's fairly gray-ish and toned-down. Like, quite toned-down. It's not really bright, nor is it supposed to be.

And then the hole opens in the sky, and a brightly-colored cartoon hedgehog falls in. And suddenly nothing makes sense anymore.

(Disclaimer: Having not played these games, I'm basing this opinion off what I've seen in Unskippable. I assume it applies throughout, though. It looks like something that would.)
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Geoff_B » 19 Sep 2011, 15:13

I for one think that would be a fair assumption..
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vigafre » 19 Sep 2011, 15:50

You guys posting in this thread probably forget/don't know that Sonic gets a sword in this game. So yeah.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby ElementalAlchemist » 19 Sep 2011, 16:25

I still claim that that doesn't make Sonic any less out-of-place in this world.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vanguard » 19 Sep 2011, 16:25

A sword? Just... why?

Sweet criky fuck, Sonic Team, what are you people smoking over there?

Oh, and then there's this little gem from the Escapist thread:

canadamus_prime wrote:She actually had an ulterior motive for summoning Sonic, but that would require spoilers.


Seriously, guy? Fuck you. What the hell is there in this game that you can spoil? Or, even better, worth spoiling?!
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vigafre » 19 Sep 2011, 16:39

Not everyone hates Sonic games, you know.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vanguard » 19 Sep 2011, 17:12

... and that's just tragic.

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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vigafre » 19 Sep 2011, 17:41

Oh, I'm sorry for liking something you don't like. Let me reform my ways cuz I'm obviously in the wrong here.

I don't like every Sonic game, but I would consider myself a fan of their style. Is there a problem with most of Sonic's games? Yes. Is there a problem with liking Sonic games? No. So stop making it one.

This is directed at Vanguard, but applies to a lot of everyone.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vanguard » 19 Sep 2011, 18:08

That is or was, by any means, not criticism against you. Hell, it wasn't really serious criticism aimed at anyone, so no reason to get on the defensive.

For all I know some of these Sonic games are technical marvels in terms of gameplay, but story wise? As a writer what I've seen offends me. Granted, that's just personal preference, but I said it.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vigafre » 19 Sep 2011, 18:57

Oh, I never cared about the stories. Some people do though. That's what I was getting at.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby NotAwesomeAtAll » 19 Sep 2011, 19:54

Halfway unrelated, but I've been hearing that Sonic games are terminally stupid for years.Doesn't that mean they should be dead by now; poor hedgehogs been breathing his last breath for quite some time.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vigafre » 19 Sep 2011, 20:11

If society had control, they'd be dead, but the Sonic fanbase is ridiculous and they keep buying the bad games and justifying them instead only buying the ones that actually play well (like Sonic Rush).
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Graham » 19 Sep 2011, 20:14

Understand, Vigafre, that our main complaint with the recent bout of Sonic games we've done is that they don't feel at all like "Sonic" games.
They feel like some other game with Sonic forcibly rammed into it.
I want the best for Sonic, but this ain't it.

Also, the controls in this game are hella sloppy. But that's my opinion.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Geoff_B » 20 Sep 2011, 00:26

Graham wrote:Understand, Vigafre, that our main complaint with the recent bout of Sonic games we've done is that they don't feel at all like "Sonic" games.
They feel like some other game with Sonic forcibly rammed into it.
I want the best for Sonic, but this ain't it.


That's the impression I got from the vids anyway. It looks too much like the Final Fantasy train collided with the Sonic Express and someone just put the wreckage back onto the rails hoping it would run.

And that didn't really make any sense but it's early and I'm tired.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Vigafre » 20 Sep 2011, 06:01

Nonono, you guys are justified with your "reviews". This and 2006 are terrible. Unleashed isn't as bad, but it definitely isn't great. I more have a problem with people who diss others for liking them, not for dissing the games themselves.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Flewellyn » 20 Sep 2011, 14:54

Can we just have Sonic be a really fast-moving hedgehog that rescues forest animals from a mad scientist that builds robots?

I mean, that didn't make any sense, either, but it was self-consistent. And it's not like an Italian plumber stomping on turtles and throwing fireballs after he eats flowers makes any sense, but it works in its own silly way. And that's what Sonic, and Mario, should be: silly!

I think the main problem is that this new sort of Sonic game mixes up the "seriousness levels" very badly, know what I mean? Throwing Sonic into a dark, serious world is like putting marshmallow peeps on a roast.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby RLYoshi » 20 Sep 2011, 15:19

I'm just gonna be blunt here.

Sonic games? Bad.

People who like Sonic games? Not bad, I just disagree with them.

There. May we end this discussion and focus on the hilarity of the video?
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Graham » 20 Sep 2011, 20:11

I think the issue for us, comes from the truly weird Sonic fans that exist.
That whole website for Sonic fanfic with people writing themselves as actually marrying the characters...

Sonic fans can be weird, but not all Sonic fans are weird.

Heck, I'm a Sonic fan.
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Re: Sonic and the Black Knight

Postby Gap Filler » 21 Sep 2011, 10:21

Always been suspicious of the Sonic hardcore elite ever since running across A Sorcerer, A Demon, and Emeralds. Bit obscure that one, maybe. Still, proof enough of just how long that element of the Sonic fanbase has been around.

Most of the fans tend to be somewhat self depreciative (and sane) about it all at least, as Graham noted.
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