MattAn wrote:Society and humanity is fucking awful. Society and humanity will never change because society and humanity will always be awful. I've given plenty of examples of why I'm so against this whole shit-flinging contest.
This "shit-flinging contest" is about changing trends. If you don't want to participate, don't.
MattAn wrote:I treat every single woman with respect, exact same amount of respect I give men. Unless they, as a person, do not deserve my respect because of their attitude. Nothing at all to do with their gender, nationality, sexual orientation, race. None of that matters.
Great. Maybe you can teach the rest of our gender to do the same?
MattAn wrote:It solves nothing. What was hopefully going to be a respectful discussion.. Is really just an extreme soapbox, with the nasty over-exaggerated claims, with zero actual context from the original creators.
The creators don't get the luxury of providing context. The media in question should stand on its own. The only thing that the original video in question said was "these games follow this pattern. We should probably ask ourselves why."
MattAn wrote:So.. When hardcore feminists claim that there's an issue..
Not a hardcore feminist here, and I acknowledge there's an issue. There is an issue. We aren't trying to hold people's feet to the fire to change things (yet). We're just trying to start on level ground: there is an issue, whether you acknowledge it or not.
MattAn wrote:It's hard to relate when.. People are perfectly fine with it and don't care for the "feminist cause". Again, to reiterate, I'm on nobody's side. I'm looking at all this neutrally. And everything is fucked.
Then why are you trying to take part in the discussion? You've demonstrated that you're not interested in civilized discourse on the subject, and aren't willing to give a little as you demand others do.
And yes, you, as an individual are a part of society, and as such, if you recognize an issue, it is up to you to make it known and fix it.
When abstracting the point, this discussion reads like this (and this is why I haven't jumped in until now):
"There are people who own other people."
"I don't own other people, and I think you should let those others have their say about why they own other people."
"The fact is that there are people who are property. It is a problem. The owners don't get to justify their actions; it's part of the problem."
"But I don't own other people!"
"You're kind of missing the point..."