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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby ex-Lurker » 01 Oct 2013, 16:12

Thanks for clearing that up, a lot of those statement were from hearsay, always glad to have mistakes corrected/learn something new :)
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Laurnil » 01 Oct 2013, 17:02

Sorry, I'm kind a big law nerd.
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Postby ex-Lurker » 01 Oct 2013, 17:07

And I'm a trivia nerd, so it all works out.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby PlasmaCow » 02 Oct 2013, 16:10

dear god i like sarah so much, but she lives half way across the country cos of her work - admitabley the coumtry in question is scotland, so like 2-3 hours drive away., but fuckin hell am i drunk.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Bebop Man » 02 Oct 2013, 16:13

Is Scotland technically a country?
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Postby Master Gunner » 02 Oct 2013, 16:21

Yes. The United Kingdom is both a Country and a Sovereign state that contains England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Island. However those four countries are themselves considered countries, but not sovereign states.

It's complicated.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Bebop Man » 02 Oct 2013, 16:22

Good old pirate colonialism I see.
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Postby Master Gunner » 02 Oct 2013, 16:29

The situation on the island of Great Britain itself has nothing to do with colonialism (well, not directly, at least. Scotland joined because it went broke trying to become a colonial power). Ireland is an issue I'm not touching with a 4000km pole. The other surrounding islands each have their own history with the monarchy going back long before the colonial era and are complexities unto themselves.

That said, the British due still hold a number of overseas territories that are leftover from being a colonial power (as a result of which, the sun still has arguably not set on the British Empire).

This video may clear up some of the issues. It will also likely raise many more questions.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Bebop Man » 02 Oct 2013, 16:32

I think I was speaking with the Malvinas/Falklands issue in mind - another of those hot topics that needs 4000km of solid pole distance for good health.

That video does refer to England as the "colonial master" of Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland though.
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Postby Laurnil » 02 Oct 2013, 16:33

"How many countries are in this country?" "Four."
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby viscomica » 02 Oct 2013, 16:35

Ah! That discussion made me remember of my English classes :) Never got around the UK system and if the countries within it were indeed countries. It was all very confusing. Thanks for clearing it up.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Master Gunner » 02 Oct 2013, 16:36

Bebop Man wrote:I think I was speaking with the Malvinas/Falklands issue in mind - another of those hot topics that needs 4000km of solid pole distance for good health.

That video does refer to England as the "colonial master" of Scotland, Wales and N. Ireland though.

Rather, the video refers to the inhabitants of Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland calling the English "colonial masters". The Scots, at least, are known to be a contention people (and now I've just made an enemy with myself for life...).

History aside, the current inhabitants of the Falklands seem pretty clear on the matter. I am aware that the matter of how they reached that state to be more complicated, though.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Bebop Man » 02 Oct 2013, 16:42

Most people consider that the inhabitants are the same people that took over the place to begin with. To them, that's like asking the burglars if they wanna own the house.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby viscomica » 02 Oct 2013, 16:45

Hmm, it's such a complicated topic! I think, looking at it from the international law point of view.... Argentina does have a point. From my personal point of view, though, fighting over something we lost thousands of years ago out of pride is silly and not worth it. Then, again, what ere you guys talking about before the Big relationship thread became a more political thread? :)
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Bebop Man » 02 Oct 2013, 16:48

Relationships I guess.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby viscomica » 02 Oct 2013, 16:49

Well, yeah... I know, silly question
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Bebop Man » 02 Oct 2013, 16:50

Yup.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Lyinginbedmon » 02 Oct 2013, 16:53

Love is a silly thing
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Fezzul » 02 Oct 2013, 20:46

Love is a lot like colonialism...

You plant your flag, fight off hostile natives, and then plunder all natural resources leaving a distressed, economically vengeful husk in your wake.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby TheGhostOfZero » 02 Oct 2013, 21:02

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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Bebop Man » 02 Oct 2013, 21:28

Now that you mention it...
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby ex-Lurker » 02 Oct 2013, 22:07

Wow, and I thought I was cynical about romantic relationships.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby Bebop Man » 02 Oct 2013, 22:25

Love is pretty much whatever you want it to be.

Love is like a faulty Ultimate Rapture Edition for the PS3 - you get excited about it, and then, disappointed.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby My pseudonym is Ix » 03 Oct 2013, 00:51

Although I don't really want to continue the topic, one interesting side note about the Falklands issue. During the Hundred Years War, exactly the same situation (geographical position not corresponding to national identity of inhabitants) was true of cities like Bordeaux, which had been (mostly) under English control since the days of Henry II, over 200 years previously. When the French finally developed sufficient cannon technology that gun>longbow and started winning the war, they retook Bordeaux- and the townsfolk actually wrote to the English king asking to be liberated from the French. The result was the Battle of Castillon, one of England's worst military defeats, and now Bordeaux is French through and through, but the same situation was true of Calais for another couple of centuries- a geographically foreign power that very much considered itself English.

Not really got a conclusion for that, but it is interesting.
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Re: The Big Relationship Thread

Postby PlasmaCow » 03 Oct 2013, 01:46

Well that throw-away comment spiralled out in ways drunk (or sober) me would never expect.
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