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Postby JohnyMcmuffin » 31 Mar 2008, 17:31

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I wonder if the extra hundred pounds of angry black man is the reason that football players are bigger.


You know, I think it is.


you missed the point. My point is that the pool for potential rugby players includes people just as huge as football players, yet they are smaller on average. This speaks to shear mass not being the most important thing in rugby. The football player may hit like a freight train, but you have to remember, he is also getting hit just as hard. The human body cannot stand up to this indefinitely, so your options are to protect it with armour, or avoid it. Since football players have armour, slamming the largest people into each other is an option. Rugby players have to use other means to avoid this injury, so they tend to be smaller. So both in the end are using different methods to attempt to avoid permanent injury. Neither method is foolproof, and it's subjective as to which method of avoidance is more 'manly'. I personally support the one that requires skill and agility on the part of the player, not ingenuity on the part of armour engineers.

I just thought of another example of this. Who is less of a pussy, the Mongolian horseman or the European knight? I think these both fit the avoidence/armour parallel.
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Postby Wraith » 31 Mar 2008, 18:19

Master Gunner wrote:According to the Bathroom Reader (ok, maybe not the most reliable source, but whatever), the American Revolution got off to a very bad start, and was almost defeated before it began, until Washington crossed the Delaware and defeated who? The Germans. Why were you able to defeat the German mercenaries? Because they were too drunk to translate a note they had received detailing Washington's entire plan. Up until that point Washington's troops had been resoundingly beaten by the British, and moral was at it's lowest point.

So in summary, the American revolution didn't gain any momentum until they defeated an army of drunk German mercenaries...who they outnumbered almost 2:1.


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Postby Wraith » 31 Mar 2008, 18:21

Zed Alpha wrote:And the All Blacks would, in all honesty, stomp around half of the NFL into the mud by themselves. Except for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.


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Postby Lord Chrusher » 31 Mar 2008, 18:31

A major difference between American Football and Rugby is that in Rugby you do not stop after five seconds of play to do a silly little dance just. Rugby does not stop just because someone dropped the ball or decided that running off the field is better than being tackled. Nor in rugby does the entire team be replaced after a turn over. The number of substitutions allowed by in a game is limited - most players are expected to play the full eighty minutes. While your three hundred pound linebacker maybe able to make some massive hits early in the game I doubt he would would be able to keep up with the play for long.


Do not go knocking the All Blacks. They are one of the most successful international sides in any sport.There name has nothing to do with the race of any of their players; it comes from the All Black uniforms they wear.
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Postby Wraith » 31 Mar 2008, 18:40

JohnyMcmuffin wrote:you missed the point. My point is that the pool for potential rugby players includes people just as huge as football players, yet they are smaller on average.


Who's over 300lbs in Rugby? If such players actually exist, I guarantee you, if there were more of them, there would be padding.

JohnyMcmuffin wrote:This speaks to shear mass not being the most important thing in rugby. The football player may hit like a freight train, but you have to remember, he is also getting hit just as hard. The human body cannot stand up to this indefinitely, so your options are to protect it with armour, or avoid it.


Dude?

THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING SINCE THE BEGINNING. Read my first post. My entire point was that the reason football players wear armor is not "because they're pussies", but because they're bigger, heavier, and ram into each other at full speed; and if Rugby was anything like that, THEY'D be wearing pads, too.

Also, I think that you are GROSSLY over-estimating the pain mitigation of the pads.
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Postby Melendwyr » 31 Mar 2008, 18:48

Look, American Football is a physically rougher sport. Mostly because it can be rougher without killing the players, because they're wearing heavy padding.

This is not a dig against rugby. Rugby does not involve padding, and is still very physical. But because they're relatively unprotected, the amount of physical violence is less than in Am. football, because if it wasn't, they would all die.

Okay? Can we return to the primary topic now?
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Postby Graham » 31 Mar 2008, 19:01

Wraith wrote:if Rugby was anything like that, THEY'D be wearing pads, too.

...I don't think you've ever seen a game of rugby.

Unrelated, keep in mind that rugby is a game with a technical term for when a player steps on another player's face with his metal cleats.
They need such a term because it happens frequently.
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Postby Matt » 31 Mar 2008, 19:05

Wraith wrote:Tell you what.

You get a team of pale European Rugby players together, and I'll gather up a group of three hundred pound NFL linebackers. We'll set them up to play American Football without any padding and just see who's the first one cry and demand "armour."


I find it extremely difficult to believe that NFL linebackers would even agree to play full contct football with no pads. The rugby players, however, I have no problem believing would be right there to do it. that should say something.

it might however, say that rugby players have more balls than brains, but still.

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Postby JohnyMcmuffin » 31 Mar 2008, 20:24

And my point is that rugby players are not as big because being big is not as great of an advantage without pads. There are certainly 300lbs guys in rugby countries, but as you say, we don't see them playing. Size isn't everything without pads.
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Postby tak197 » 31 Mar 2008, 20:35

Matt wrote:
Wraith wrote:Tell you what.

You get a team of pale European Rugby players together, and I'll gather up a group of three hundred pound NFL linebackers. We'll set them up to play American Football without any padding and just see who's the first one cry and demand "armour."


I find it extremely difficult to believe that NFL linebackers would even agree to play full contct football with no pads. The rugby players, however, I have no problem believing would be right there to do it. that should say something.

it might however, say that rugby players have more balls than brains, but still.

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Guys, I can solve this debate once and for all. Ben Roethlisberger. Back in 2006, he was in a traffic accident when he ran his motorcycle, a 1995 Suzuki Hayabusa (one of the fastest bikes on the market), into the side3 of a car making a left turn. He went over the top of the car and landed on the sidewalk.

"Good thing he was wearing his helmet," you may think. But you would be wrong. After frequent warnings from friends, family, and Coach Cowher, he still decided to ride without one on. An NFL player, who wears a hard helmet for his JOB, doesn't wear one on something that could actually kill him. He got away with only a broken nose and jaw, knee injuries, and a 9-inch laceration on his head.

So you see, padding has nothing to do with these people's thought processes.
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Postby DicyDax » 31 Mar 2008, 21:20

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Postby Lord Chrusher » 31 Mar 2008, 22:34

I like cake, especially the gooey chocolate kind.

However that does not distract from the fact that Rugby is a manlier sport than American Football.
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Postby Zed Alpha » 01 Apr 2008, 11:03

GYAAAAAGH!

Okay. Agree to disagree. Rugby is very manly. American "football" is manly as well, in a different way. Can we stop punching each other in the balls now? And FYI, Wraith, the Bucs are the best team to grace the surface of the planet.

I like cake. Especially ice cream cake. And if it's chocolate, it's the best kind of ice cream cake. Ooh. And if it has mint? Wonderful.

My stepdad actually made me a bacon chocolate cake. It was nice. Old by the time I got to it, so it was somewhat greasy, but still nice and salty/sweet/pig/spongy.
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Chocolate fishes!

Postby Shandi » 01 Apr 2008, 16:10

Scone wrote:If the chocolate asteroid fell into the ocean, most of the scalding, magmous chocolate rain would fall upon the sea creatures, in effect killing, cooking and encasing them in a delicious chocolate shell all at once. This I believe is the day we all look forward to: the day when the seas bestow upon us a bounty of chocolate fish.


Amelia Bedelia and the Surprise Shower!!!!!!

She ices the fish, chocolate icing.

Read the book synopsis.Heehee
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Postby Wraith » 01 Apr 2008, 17:28

Lord Chrusher wrote:I like cake, especially the gooey chocolate kind.

However that does not distract from the fact that Rugby is a manlier sport than American Football.


Oh, I agree, totally. It's way more manly.




If by "manly" you mean "men who are into other men."
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Postby tak197 » 01 Apr 2008, 18:26

Okay, I'm settling this once and for all.

RUGBY AND AMERICAN FOOTBALL ARE PUSSY SPORTS COMPARED TO BATTLEDOME!

There. Turn the page.
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Postby DicyDax » 01 Apr 2008, 21:22

Hm... Cake is awesome. Unfortunately it's a lie.
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Postby CyberTractor » 02 Apr 2008, 23:15

Did you guys know they're really making Quantum of Solace into a movie? I didn't.
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Postby Graham » 02 Apr 2008, 23:38

CyberTractor wrote:Did you guys know they're really making Quantum of Solace into a movie? I didn't.

I... I wasn't joking when I was talking about that in Phailhaüs 1.
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Postby Cake » 03 Apr 2008, 00:56

DicyDax wrote:Hm... Cake is awesome. Unfortunately it's a lie.

I AM awesome. Aren't I?
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Postby DicyDax » 03 Apr 2008, 03:24

Cake wrote:
DicyDax wrote:Hm... Cake is awesome. Unfortunately it's a lie.

I AM awesome. Aren't I?
I guess you are.... Wait! YOU'RE A LIE!
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Postby Cake » 03 Apr 2008, 04:09

The cake is not a lie. There really is cake at the end. *points to avatar*
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Postby YourBlankFile » 03 Apr 2008, 04:53

Cake wrote:The cake is not a lie. There really is cake at the end. *points to avatar*


Any interested please assume the party-escort submission position :D
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Postby DicyDax » 03 Apr 2008, 08:00

Cake wrote:The cake is not a lie. There really is cake at the end. *points to avatar*
Yeah, but only the companion cube gets cake...
HURR DURR!
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Postby Nomadic » 03 Apr 2008, 11:08

DicyDax wrote:
Cake wrote:The cake is not a lie. There really is cake at the end. *points to avatar*
Yeah, but only the companion cube gets cake...

Not to mention (or to mention) ALL THOSE FREAKY EYEBALL THINGS...AAAHHHHHH...
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