Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

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Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby MowDownJoe » 30 Jun 2011, 10:58

Sorry about the shock title, but considering the bill that's been drafted up recently, it's needed. The full bill is here, but if you need a translation from legalese (and don't want it from Destructoid), here we go: making a streaming video that contains any kind of copyrighted material is considered a felony (after 10 offenses, that is), and the government wouldn't need to wait for the copyright holders to press charges to go after that person. (The last part makes sense for murderers, but this? Really?) The bill was made mainly to appease the RIAA and MPAA over people posting movies and music to YouTube, but the law is so vaguely written that it could very easily bleed over to video games. And in fact, it'd even allow the government to go after you for posting videos of your buds singing karaoke, if you made enough money off of it.

Here's the petition, if you want to speak out against it. Because really... I don't want to live in a country where Unskippable is a crime. (Not to mention I'd be liable myself... damn my hobbies.)
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Matt » 30 Jun 2011, 11:05

Presumably this doesn't override the fair use provisions of american copyright law.

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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Elomin Sha » 30 Jun 2011, 11:29

Hey Matt, I was wondering. When you went to the Escapist, did they have any qualms with you guys using C64 music?
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby MowDownJoe » 30 Jun 2011, 11:44

Matt wrote:Presumably this doesn't override the fair use provisions of american copyright law.

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Does "Fair Use" work in Criminal Law cases? For Civil Law, that makes sense. But since it'd move it to criminal law (at least if this editorial on shoryuken), I'm not too sure. Either way, they can still slap cuffs on them while they await trial.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Geoff_B » 30 Jun 2011, 12:09

Would US federal law apply in canada? (sorry, ignorant brit here)

also wouldn't C64 content be public domain by now? i mean you can easily get hold of the complete music library.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Master Gunner » 30 Jun 2011, 12:18

No more than it would apply to you.

The problem is that it would effect the Escapist.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Geoff_B » 30 Jun 2011, 12:30

ooh yeah thats a point, it would hit unskippable wouldn't it. well the escapist probably has something figured out.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby tak197 » 30 Jun 2011, 15:03

Matt wrote:Presumably this doesn't override the fair use provisions of american copyright law.

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Oh they are trying hard to remove that, I guarantee it. I really don't like the bill at all, because it's just more proof of old media being greedy around the thought of new media.

But at the same time, The Escapist does have many contacts (I assume) with developers so they can get the proper rights to do it, so it wouldn't be copyright infringement.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby epocalypse » 30 Jun 2011, 16:00

This law just can't operate in the US, or the world at large, for that matter, it's basically meaningless bullshit. Between fair use, protection of parody, and general protection of free speech, it's only a matter of time before this insanely inept law falls.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby epocalypse » 30 Jun 2011, 16:03

Also, correcting after reading it, it's not a law, it's a bill, and a stupid one at that.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby The Architect » 30 Jun 2011, 19:04

gbridges wrote:Would US federal law apply in canada? (sorry, ignorant brit here)


As mentioned, it would affect the folks at The Escapist, but it may also make travel to the US (including PAX, PAX East and the Child's Play charity dinner) problematic.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Graham » 30 Jun 2011, 19:23

We're well covered by the fair use provisions of parody and commentary.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Master Gunner » 30 Jun 2011, 19:24

Well if this bill forced the Escapist to stop airing Unskippable and G&P took it elsewhere, even then I doubt it would effect them much while traveling in the US. It might effect their ability to get a visa (though even that's doubtful), but not their ability to take day trips across the border any more than my drinking under the age of 21 would.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Valliac » 30 Jun 2011, 21:58

Graham wrote:We're well covered by the fair use provisions of parody and commentary.


Bam. LRR beats Federal Law.

That'd make a pretty interesting skit, actually...
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

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"LRR fought the law and LRR won"?
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Jillers » 01 Jul 2011, 15:47

MinionStarwind wrote:
Graham wrote:We're well covered by the fair use provisions of parody and commentary.


Bam. LRR beats Federal Law.

That'd make a pretty interesting skit, actually...


No they don't, they operate within the bounds of Federal Law. That's a less interesting skit.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby madrak_the_red » 02 Jul 2011, 01:41

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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Graham » 02 Jul 2011, 08:33

Law-Abiding Man wouldn't even jaywalk TL chase a criminal, nor would he yell in a residential neighborhood.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby The Jester » 02 Jul 2011, 09:29

Law-Abiding Man could be terrifying, though. Always quiet, neatly dressed, implacable. He won't speed or run red lights to catch you, but he will keep coming. And he knows every law, and will throw the book at you when he uses reasonable force to restrain you and bring you in.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Dutch guy » 02 Jul 2011, 12:30

Now I'm just imagining Story Guy...
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby Keab42 » 02 Jul 2011, 13:04

I was thinking more the Shhhh guy from Rapidfire.
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Re: Graham and Paul could become felons in the eyes of US Law

Postby tak197 » 02 Jul 2011, 19:29

Actually, it's a mix of SHHHHH guy and Story Guy and Canadaman.
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